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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:19 pm to Jester
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:19 pm to Jester
quote:
So you sink to their level of inhumanity and pure evil
Right or wrong if someone had raped, tortured or killed any member of my family I would do unspeakable things to anyone I thought responsible. They would pray for a quick death
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:20 pm to Deactived
quote:
Jones
I have on the Twitch live camera link you shared last night.
Sun is coming up. Planes have been flying about 10 times the amount of sorties vs last night. Fireworks will begin shortly.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:21 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
In case anyone was wondering what the ADL was up to...
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
What said Thucydides? – Peace is but a cessation of hostilities in a war that is never-ending.
This post was edited on 8/23/24 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:23 pm to SmackoverHawg
I think everyone who is being honest understands what Israel has to do once Hamas did what they did.
It won't be pretty and it won't always be fair. It won't always even stand up to moral scrutiny, but Hamas dictated the way this would go when they carried out that plan. They are using the same MO they always use, carrying out their own flavor of barbarism only to hold up their own dead civilians to garner sympathy from the world. Keep in mind, this is the group telling their people to stay in their homes saying, "This is our home, we live here and we die here." This is the group that weaves the tools of war into every aspect of their people's lives. They use their civilians as a layer of security while factoring in their loss as little more than a cost of doing business.
When they are met in kind it is hard for some to stomach, but in reality, it is the only reasonable way forward for a people looking for security.
It won't be pretty and it won't always be fair. It won't always even stand up to moral scrutiny, but Hamas dictated the way this would go when they carried out that plan. They are using the same MO they always use, carrying out their own flavor of barbarism only to hold up their own dead civilians to garner sympathy from the world. Keep in mind, this is the group telling their people to stay in their homes saying, "This is our home, we live here and we die here." This is the group that weaves the tools of war into every aspect of their people's lives. They use their civilians as a layer of security while factoring in their loss as little more than a cost of doing business.
When they are met in kind it is hard for some to stomach, but in reality, it is the only reasonable way forward for a people looking for security.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:24 pm to SmackoverHawg
quote:
You lay with dogs you're gonna get fleas.
I mean yeah I get it but... their choices are basically protest Hamas and get shot or don't protest Hamas and still get shot. It's a fricked situation to live in and there aren't really any good solutions to fixing it.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:25 pm to Burt Orangello
quote:jBut those "who aren't" aren't doing much about those "who are".
Sure there are. And there are many who aren't. Which again, emphasizes my point that broad generalizations are foolish.
quote:I recall the phrase "silence equals violence" being thrown about during the BLM riots.
Lots of people have Black Lives Matter stickers on their cars, but aren't out looting and burning.
quote:Of course not. Poeple should generally be judged individually. As you (presumably) know Netanyahu is a very polarizing figure in Isreali politics. Many do not support him. How many of the 1,700 killed supported him?
I also don't equate BLM with ALL black people. Or the radical progressives with ALL liberal leaning people.
The idea that we can individually judge people based on their individual political views in the middle of a war is an impossible standard. Holding only one side to that standard is even mroe impossible.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:26 pm to Rebel
I got it up right now. Im surprised there arent more channels on the 'Just Chatting' section on this. Although the biggest channel is basically just 25k people trolling the chat
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:
How would you have handled Germany in 1941? Remember, most Germans were great people and not nazis.
I would not have advocated to kill 'em all. That doesn't mean I wouldn't have supported fighting against the NAZIs. WW2 is possibly the proudest moment in US history.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:30 pm to Deactived
first explosion of the day.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:30 pm to bayoudude
quote:
Right or wrong if someone had raped, tortured or killed any member of my family I would do unspeakable things to anyone I thought responsible. They would pray for a quick death
I get that, and I would have those same thoughts. I would hope I wouldn't turn bloodthirsty, thought.
That said, there are no family members of victims of this assault in this thread. There are, however, several dudes calling for genocide from the gallery.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:31 pm to Jester
quote:Nah. You just let them keep killing your citizens.
So you sink to their level of inhumanity and pure evil in an act of unbridled revenge? For what? A little catharsis and eternity in hell? Do you.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:34 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Nah. You just let them keep killing your citizens.
Nobody is calling for pacifism here. Hamas should be eliminated. That doesn't mean killing all Palestinians, though.
This thread includes at least one post suggesting to eliminate "future jihadists." That's how you lose your soul.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:35 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:To me there's a line somewhere between amoral and evil.
I think everyone who is being honest understands what Israel has to do once Hamas did what they did.
It won't be pretty and it won't always be fair. It won't always even stand up to moral scrutiny, but Hamas dictated the way this would go when they carried out that plan. They are using the same MO they always use, carrying out their own flavor of barbarism only to hold up their own dead civilians to garner sympathy from the world. Keep in mind, this is the group telling their people to stay in their homes saying, "This is our home, we live here and we die here." This is the group that weaves the tools of war into every aspect of their people's lives. They use their civilians as a layer of security while factoring in their loss as little more than a cost of doing business.
When they are met in kind it is hard for some to stomach, but in reality, it is the only reasonable way forward for a people looking for security.
What Israel has done in the past and is about to do, in spades, is amoral... but they are doing it response to the evil Hamas CHOSE to do.
Bert [Orangello, NOT Reynolds] is right in that lumping them all together, making Hamas=Palestinian, is downright amoral. But when you are faced with a fight for survival it would be evil to surrender to it rather than be amoral and live.
ETA: and I still say it can be simply boiled down to what I posted to Bert [Reynolds] earlier- you act like a curr, you get kicked like a curr. It is really that simple. Unfortunately for the curr palenstinans, Israel is wearing red wings.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:36 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
Cool. So you agree that Gaza is a terrorist state akin to the ISIS caliphates and that Israel is within its moral right to do whatever it needs to do to secure the everlasting security of its citizens from it?
Go find and quote where I stated opposition to Israel handling its business. You won't find it.
You might only be able to process/understand/analyze "A vs. B" options and think in straight lines, but that's your problem. Don't try to handicap others with your deficiency.
"Not all Palestinians are the equivalent of Hamas terrorists"
and
"Israel should go into Gaza and kill the Hamas terrorists"
are not opposing positions. They're hardly even related.
One of the most complex geopolitical situations in modern history can't be reduced to soundbites and simple answers just because YOU can't function any other way.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:37 pm to Rebel
Camera 5 is going off with some bombs
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:38 pm to Jester
That’s why they call it WAR. There has never been a war without death and suffering of innocent people.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:40 pm to Jester
quote:We didn’t fight the nazis, we fought ALL of Germany, we didn’t take the time to separate the Nazis from the non nazi Germans, which is exactly what you are now advocating against. You don’t have the leisure of doing so in war, especially in a war that was brought upon you
I would not have advocated to kill 'em all. That doesn't mean I wouldn't have supported fighting against the NAZIs
quote:Yet now you argue against everything we did in WW2
WW2 is possibly the proudest moment in US history.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:40 pm to Burt Orangello
quote:
Burt Orangello
I just want to add, I’m appalled by what happened to Israelis and don’t blame Israel for wanting to strike back. I’ve seen many of your post and I understand your points, I agree somewhat with many of them. I appreciate your contributions to this thread even though you’ve taken some heat. It’s an extremely tough situation obviously with all involved. I agree most of the Palestinian citizens are probably good people.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:41 pm to Jester
quote:To be clear I'm in no way calling for that. But the idea that the Hamas should be spared, based on some portion of the population that doesn't support them is at risk... cannot hold up.
I would not have advocated to kill 'em all.
War is hell. It's best avoided. Who chose it?
If some innocent Palestinian (tragically) dies at the end of an Israeli muntion whose fault is it? Israel wouldn't be doing this had Hamas not chosen this path. Hamas is to blame, no matter who supplies the muntions.
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