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re: Israel Pfizer efficacy against covid-19 hospitalizations broken down by age group

Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:34 am to
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:34 am to
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If you are under 40, 6'2" and 175 lbs why shouldnt you take it?


The chart you posted yourself in the OP explains it pretty well.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85368 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:34 am to
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That may be but they are not clinging to it to justify their decision. They are clinging to it as one more arrow in their quiver from getting forced vaxxed.



except that has been one of the main arguments since the very beginning, long before mandates were a thing
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87178 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:34 am to
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If you are under 40, 6'2" and 175 lbs why shouldnt you take it?
Because you don’t need it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108203 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:34 am to
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We must have different definitions of long term then
You have a ridiculous intepretation of it

You think long term means this:

Someone takes the vaccine, is completely healthy with no signs at all of complications, completely normal labs, and then years later develops something that you then trace to the vaccine. Its ludicrous to imagine this being how you track "long term" for any medicine or for any virus

Long term as it relates to medicine since forever is:

You take the vaccine, and then within days usually, sometimes a week or so, you develop an illness that last long term
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73052 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:35 am to
quote:

If you are under 40, 6'2" and 175 lbs why shouldnt you take it?


because of the data you just posted.

6’2” 175? dude needs to hit the weight room.

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85846 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:35 am to
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Based on that chart and my age the chances of me contracting a "severe case" (not death) is 0.0282%. Said another way, I have a 99.9718% chance of not getting a sever case.

This does not take into account good health, lack of comorbidities and antibodies from previous COVID infection...all which substantially reduces the risk of a sever case of COVID.

I'm still not convinced the vaccine is the proper route for people like me in the low risk groups.

But here we are...people trying to force medicine on people that otherwise don't need it.


FWIW this approach is much more compelling than the "I WON'T TAKE YOUR DNA-ALTERING POISON" we see more commonly
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
21764 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:35 am to
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absolutely


Wow, a reasonable person who also is personally for the vaccine? There may be hope for humanity.

Normally, the biggest side effect of the vaccine is becoming a pompous a-hole about it
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108203 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:36 am to
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The chart you posted yourself in the OP explains it pretty well.

The chart in the OP shows for that age group you overwhelmingly reduce your chance of getting severe illness in the 30-39 age group with the vaccine


Sure you can say you are are not likely to get severe infection, but you cant show me any data on why you shouldnt take the vaccine
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 10:37 am
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73052 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:36 am to
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Normally, the biggest side effect of the vaccine is becoming a pompous a-hole about it


with a severe case of obsessing over whether or not other people get vaccinated.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21888 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:37 am to
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6’2” 175? dude needs to hit the weight room.


6'2 175lbs is smack dab in the middle of the healthy BMI range

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108203 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:38 am to
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6’2” 175? dude needs to hit the weight room.
And now you have let us know you are fat, so you really need the vaccine Klark
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11942 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:38 am to
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Now they must deal with a sizeable portion of society that doesn't trust anything they say, and frankly I don't blame anyone that doesn't trust them.



This goes way back and I'm a victim of it too. The media's job used to be helping us find the truth, then the media started spinning then outright lying. Then social media came and called out the bullshite, now no one knows what to believe anymore.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73052 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:38 am to
you’re barking up the wrong tree if you’re calling me fat.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85368 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:38 am to
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6’2” 175? dude needs to hit the weight room.


I'M TRYING OK
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36498 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:38 am to
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You have a ridiculous intepretation of it

You think long term means this:

Someone takes the vaccine, is completely healthy with no signs at all of complications, completely normal labs, and then years later develops something that you then trace to the vaccine. Its ludicrous to imagine this being how you track "long term" for any medicine or for any virus

Long term as it relates to medicine since forever is:

You take the vaccine, and then within days usually, sometimes a week or so, you develop an illness that last long term


You know as well as I do there's going to be boosters required on a regular basis so this is an incomplete statement, in my opinion.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73052 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:39 am to
try again.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36498 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:39 am to
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The chart in the OP shows for that age group you overwhelmingly reduce your chance of getting severe illness in the 30-39 age group with the vaccine


Sometimes percentages don't tell the whole story and you are smart enough to know that. They're useful and important, but they aren't everything.

quote:

Sure you can say you are are not likely to get severe infection, but you cant show me any data on why you shouldnt take the vaccine



You shouldn't have to.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25084 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:42 am to
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For the severe cases per 100k metric, is the 100k just people in general or people who tested positive for COVID?
I'm going to guess thats the general population, not just people who test positive.

252 severe cases per 100k people in the unvaxed 80-89 age bracket. Thats 0.25%. Has to be overall population, not just covid positive patients because I find it hard to believe only 1 in 400 covid cases among that age group results in a severe case.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23043 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:42 am to
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The chart in the OP shows for that age group you overwhelmingly reduce your chance of getting severe illness in the 30-39 age group with the vaccine



You are talking about a quarter of a person to 6.5 people out of 100k. What you put here assumes NO serious adverse to the vaccine. A few serious reactions out of 100k seems like an extremely reasonable stance.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21888 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:42 am to
I didn't call you fat, I just said that 175lbs is a healthy weight for a 6'2 person.

Assume my motives one more time and I'll start another cycling thread
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