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re: Is child care/daycare innately expensive? What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:35 pm to WigSplitta22
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:35 pm to WigSplitta22
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I don't know where you pulled this from but it couldn't be more false. Just do the numbers
I've looked at buying a few daycares and unless it's owner/operated, the margins aren't all that great.
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?
Revive the traditional extended family model.
Your family should be the first (and in many cases only) choice in these types of things.
Most Americans look side eyed at the Vietnamese and other Asian cultures family model, but it's the best model. Americans used to have this until they were convinced that the nuclear family model was the best way to live. The Depression era heavily contributed to that but the damage was done by then.
That IMO is one of the largest contributors to the erosion of the American society.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Cut income tax rate in half to incentivize women to be SAHM's. Each additional child lowers the rate even more. 3 or more children and the rate goes to zero until youngest turns 18.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:39 pm to LemmyLives
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Women tend to love spinning in chaos,
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:44 pm to American Mariner
Ignoring all the BS spewed here, yes, it is innately expensive because it is attention and labor intensive, and does not scale well.
Let's put it this way; you can improve the process by which a microchip is made, packaged, assembled. You can substitute out human judgement and processing speed, with automation and care, without sacrificing any quality inherently.
You can't do the same with people caring positions; that means both elder care and child rearing are intensely labor intensive-- a good hospice nurse can only care for so many patients; a good daycare becomes unmanageable if you try to scale it up beyond a certain ratio of person to person contact.
It used to be that children were familial labor, and on the farm, you could handle a certain amount of behavior and self-regulation coming from routine tasks that weren't inherently dangerous-- waking up at 5 to muck stables only allowed for so much room for slacking, and it certainly didn't expose others to potential harm. If a kid fricked up, he might get a face full of cow shite. He wouldn't be spamming the internet with selfies.
Now, it is time, money, and labor intensive, with few outlets to teach kids self-management skills, so they need constant stimulation and attention. It will remain inherently expensive until some part of that equation changes.
Let's put it this way; you can improve the process by which a microchip is made, packaged, assembled. You can substitute out human judgement and processing speed, with automation and care, without sacrificing any quality inherently.
You can't do the same with people caring positions; that means both elder care and child rearing are intensely labor intensive-- a good hospice nurse can only care for so many patients; a good daycare becomes unmanageable if you try to scale it up beyond a certain ratio of person to person contact.
It used to be that children were familial labor, and on the farm, you could handle a certain amount of behavior and self-regulation coming from routine tasks that weren't inherently dangerous-- waking up at 5 to muck stables only allowed for so much room for slacking, and it certainly didn't expose others to potential harm. If a kid fricked up, he might get a face full of cow shite. He wouldn't be spamming the internet with selfies.
Now, it is time, money, and labor intensive, with few outlets to teach kids self-management skills, so they need constant stimulation and attention. It will remain inherently expensive until some part of that equation changes.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:45 pm to CapitalTiger
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I've looked at buying a few daycares and unless it's owner/operated, the margins aren't all that great.
The good daycares are making bank with long waiting list to enroll. I can assure you. The little small ones that are shitty may not
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Long story short: it would be a massive undertaking that would require either steep budget cuts in other areas of govt, or hefty tax increases.
Wonder which one it will be
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?
Mothers stay at home and don’t work.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:51 pm to WigSplitta22
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The good daycares are making bank with long waiting list to enroll. I can assure you. The little small ones that are shitty may not
I looked at one of the "good" ones with an insane waiting list. 100+ kids.
Margins were okay (12-14% range) but it was owner-operated. Paying a competent director to manage a 12-hour, 250 day a year facility, with 14 hourly employees eats into that significantly.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:52 pm to tigergirl10
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Why can’t dads?
They absolutely can, however the traditional caregiver role is better executed by women.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
A couple of things:
1. It’s a short term problem as the kids go to school at 5 or so. If your kid goes to a public school parents get relief after five years if you plan to pay for private school think of childcare as paying private school early.
2. This is something AI and robots can help with IMO. I don’t need or want Latoya or Shannon trying to do anything but make sure they’re alive. Be thankful they aren’t getting hit or taught early to be gay now. When robots do it, each different childcare place could be programmed to be a little more conservative or liberal giving parents a choice.
3. This is one of the ultimate consequences of women in the workplace and the breakdown of family support structures. Certainly not everyone has family who could help with kids, but many people have a lot of family members and if all the women were at home, they could certainly help with the kids and in a much more personal way that you would want by your family.
Truth be told no human would want to take care of eight Rugrats or more at a time so instead of trying to make the square peg fit in a around hole by lowering cost for something so exhausting, let’s answer the family structure problem at its core. If 2 parent work then you should have enough to cover your childcare, if it’s too high for you, your kids can go to a cheaper place, but that’s for you to decide.
I do think with AI ultimately requiring fewer jobs. Elon Musk says eventually humans will not have to work this should allow more families, the ability to allow the mother or father for that matter to spend more time with the kids.
1. It’s a short term problem as the kids go to school at 5 or so. If your kid goes to a public school parents get relief after five years if you plan to pay for private school think of childcare as paying private school early.
2. This is something AI and robots can help with IMO. I don’t need or want Latoya or Shannon trying to do anything but make sure they’re alive. Be thankful they aren’t getting hit or taught early to be gay now. When robots do it, each different childcare place could be programmed to be a little more conservative or liberal giving parents a choice.
3. This is one of the ultimate consequences of women in the workplace and the breakdown of family support structures. Certainly not everyone has family who could help with kids, but many people have a lot of family members and if all the women were at home, they could certainly help with the kids and in a much more personal way that you would want by your family.
Truth be told no human would want to take care of eight Rugrats or more at a time so instead of trying to make the square peg fit in a around hole by lowering cost for something so exhausting, let’s answer the family structure problem at its core. If 2 parent work then you should have enough to cover your childcare, if it’s too high for you, your kids can go to a cheaper place, but that’s for you to decide.
I do think with AI ultimately requiring fewer jobs. Elon Musk says eventually humans will not have to work this should allow more families, the ability to allow the mother or father for that matter to spend more time with the kids.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:59 pm to WigSplitta22
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I don't know where you pulled this from but it couldn't be more false. Just do the numbers. The one my kids go to charge from 200-250 per head per week and take schoolers for before and after care which is $60 for aftercare and $100 for both. They have about 150-200 kids and about 100 before and after care schoolers. At the low end they are bringing in $36k/week x 52 = 1.87 million/year in revenue and that doesn't count all the other shite they charge for that they make money on. They pay low wages to the teachers and helpers but they give them free childcare
Now do the expenses. Insurance rates, regulatory/state costs, utilities, any provided food/snacks/cleaning supplies, etc.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:08 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Now do the expenses. Insurance rates, regulatory/state costs, utilities, any provided food/snacks/cleaning supplies, etc.
Yep. Back of envelope math has them at $1.3M in wages, employment taxes, etc. to meet state regulations on child to employee ratio.
Louisiana minimum is 35 sq ft per kid, but any reasonable daycare is bigger than that. Looking at rent/utilities/maint./insurance on a 10,000 square foot facility were at minimum $200k.
We're already to 16% profit margin before even factoring anything else like taxes, insurance, licensure, food/snacks, equipment, marketing, etc.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Take women out of the work force?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Reduce your wants and have the wife stay at home.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Not going to happen.
Move to Cuba.
Move to Cuba.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Is child care/daycare innately expensive? What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?
Buy a cheaper used car with a lower note. Buy a decent house in an ok neighborhood. Don't buy a boat.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Idk, what does the OT think?
I'm not a spokesperson of the OT by any means, unless the topics are rum, soccer (LOL), insurance, or cajun food in the UK, but I can say with absolute certainty the following:
WHEN THE GOV'T GUARANTEES PAYMENT, PRICES NEVER DECREASE.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Child care and raising our children is my family’s top priority. My wife stays home and we homeschool
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Make the cost tax deductible for the parents.
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