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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)

Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:57 am to
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:57 am to
I haven’t really kept up with this since it first happened. I’m surprised the trial has gotten so much coverage save for the absolute craziness of it. But he 100% did that shite, right? Isn’t there like zero chance of acquittal?
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
24165 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:02 am to
Help me understand the motive of Alex for the killings of Maggie and Paul. I just started following this two days ago.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167281 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:05 am to
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that he paid some mob guy
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If someone did it for him, it was either Cousin Eddie or a black guy. No mafia down here. There are stories about Cosa Nostra members from NYC getting run out of the SC Lowcountry by the Klan and law enforcement back in the 1940's. The Bubba's back then would have lumped Italians in with the blacks when it came to race.
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LINK ]Two Men Tied Indicted in Alex Murdaugh's Alleged Drug Ring Had Ties to Bloods-

More violent twists have arisen out of the infamous Murdaugh murder mystery. Two “cousins” of the street gang the Walterboro Cowboys, which has ties to the Bloods, have been dragged into the mix due to the fact that they might be involved in Alex Murdaugh’s alleged drug and money-laundering pipeline.

Jerry Rivers and Spencer Anwan Roberts, close friends of the Cowboys gang, were indicted Aug. 19 on charges that prosecutors say could involve being part of Murdaugh’s Low Country drug situation. This happened on the same day that Murdaugh was hit with yet another indictment.

I used the term mob guy loosely-along the line of thinking the brutal murders of Maggie & Paul were above Cousin Eddie on the scuzzball, kill with no afterthought side of things.

So have the Walterboro Cowboys been run out of town?

Does the trial start at 9:30 EST this morning?
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:07 am to
It only takes one juror to have doubts. Maybe one of the jurors believes what Mrs. Mixon said yesterday, that Alex was a wonderful person who she had known for thirty year and she knew he couldn't do the things he was charged with doing. To a particular demographic, what she said and believed would resonate.

Maybe the equality of circumstantial and 'can hold in your hands' evidence won't be believed by one.

According to something CNN reported last night: when Alex was tearfully testifying, some jurors were crying along with him.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39251 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:07 am to
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so you have been watching the whole time and you still think this is a slam dunk guilty verdict? beyond a reasonable doubt?

I think? Yes. Not a shred of doubt.
Will the jury think? Who knows. Maybe not. South Carolina and all.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:11 am to
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Who knows. Maybe not. South Carolina and all.


How about explain what you mean by the " South Carolina and all".
Posted by clownbaby
beezwacks not yours
Member since Jan 2009
1082 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:12 am to
Do you think he pulled the trigger himself or paid someone(s) to do it?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:13 am to
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Direct evidence is not required. If you’d seen or heard the jury instructions you’d know that.


I never said anything to the contrary. I was just making a statement.

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Just stupid.


What's their theory? Please explain it in detail with their timeline. Don't leave any gaps.

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That’s called building your case.


They have been throwing an entire slew of things against the wall hoping something sticks. They have no clear narrative. No demonstratives, no renderings, nothing to help the jury see how this was committed. The state's case in chief was a jumbled mess with no clear path established. You can call it "building you case" but it was an incoherent hodgepodge that contradicted itself.

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So abjectly stupid that it’s hard to comprehend much less answer.


List some direct or circumstantial evidence that has been presented at trial that is most powerful for you.

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Not dispositive or necessary. If it was, countless murderers would never (and wrongfully) be convicted.


The issue here is that the state lied to the grand jury and told them there was blood on Alex's shirt. And that got leaked to the media. And it wasn't true. So there's that.

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Wrong. You either didn’t watch the trial or have a fatal case of ADD. Regardless, not required per the jury instructions, which, again, you would know if you watched the trial.


Again, I never said that motive is required, but the state has spent weeks on the financial motive aspects and that is also a jumbled mess. In a few concise sentences, what is the state's narrative about the motive?

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Which is expected considering Alex controlled the crime scene.


So because someone was at or near a crime scene within a guesstimated time a murder took place, they are guilty because no evidence was found? And lack of any physical evidence tying then to the act of murders very likely to be expected so we should just assume guilt?

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Well that’s just stupid.

Alex was with them minutes before they were murdered. He lied about that, repeatedly, and pressured others to lie to support his bullshite timeline.


We don't know definitively when they were murdered. He did lie about being at the kennels at 840pm, and is one of the worst pieces of evidence for him. He didn't pressure others to lie to support his "bullshite timeline." That's a fabrication of what is in the actual evidence and testimony.

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He is, by his own words, mentally unstable enough to hire someone to murder himself


This took place months after his wife and son were murdered and never should have been admissible.

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deceitful enough to lie to hundreds of people to defraud them out of tens of millions over a ten plus year time span..


AM is undeniably a cheater, liar, and thief. He needs to go away for life. That doesn't make him guilty of double murder of his wife and child.

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So clearly you either haven’t been following the trial or else you lack the comprehension to process what you’ve seen and heard.


Quite condescending for a person that is stretching the facts of what is actually in evidence.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:25 am to
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KosmoCramer

Not sure if you're listening to any of the legal analyst discussions prior to trial starting today. All of them so far I have heard have blown huge holes in Murdaugh's testimony about his clothes, testimony about where he was, lying about being at the kennels, etc. They all seemed to believe that evidence so far is overwhelmingly in favor of conviction. (Right now, I'm watching Law & Trial Network).

And I'm talking about defense attorneys stating that his case, including motive, is much worse for AM since he started testifying.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:28 am to
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All of them so far I have heard have blown huge holes in Murdaugh's testimony about his clothes, testimony about where he was, lying about being at the kennels, etc.


What did he testify about his clothes? On his direct or cross?

The lying about the kennels thing is definitely a bad piece of evidence for him. But we've known that since the video came out and was corroborated by 10+ witnesses, that's not a new bombshell.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167281 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:29 am to
Video evidence presented in the trial from Paul's cell phone of a video Paul was sending his buddy that had his buddies dog with a hurt tail in the kennel-- Of AM's voice yelling at Bubba one of the dogs- placing him in the dog kennel before the murders.

LINK ]Moment Alex Murdaugh’s defense witness says he has ‘no doubt’ disgraced attorney is in kennel VIDEO

Paul says quit Kash, Maggie says, 'hey he's got a bird in his mouth' AM is calling for Bubba the dog who was chasing chickens

Video evidence of AM in different clothes-long pants and a shirt in a short video of a tree falling over and PauPau laughing.

LINK ]Paul Murdaugh SnapChat Video with Alex in Different Clothes and Maggie Murdaugh's Beach House

When AM testified yesterday and admitted HE LIED saying the last time he saw Maggie and Paul alive was dinner.

Does he justify the timing and suddenly changing the story from taking a nap to 'maybe layin down a bit for a minute'?

Does he explain how he didn't hear gunshots?
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 8:34 am
Posted by CheesyF
Member since May 2017
537 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:30 am to
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Quite condescending for a person that is stretching the facts of what is actually in evidence.


for someone who knows there is no shred of doubt he did it
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:30 am to
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Video evidence of AM in different clothes-long pants and a shirt in a short video of a tree falling over and PauPau laughing.


Why didn't the state ever try to obtain those clothes? They never searched for them, never asked for them, never asked Alex where they were.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86127 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:30 am to
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Help me understand the motive of Alex for the killings of Maggie and Paul. I just started following this two days ago.


There has been discussions about Maggie's financial assets going to Buster if they were dead. But analysts today said that Murdaugh admitted yesterday clearly about his opiate drug addiction and how bad it was. And he admitted that it caused extreme paranoia.

They indicated that alone gives a strong motive for him wanting to make sure that in the midst of the chaos of his life, he wanted them silenced.

EVERYONE I've listened to this morning on trial channels are all stating that they believe he's dead in the water. And that his prior testimony will get further exploited today.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86127 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:34 am to
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The lying about the kennels thing is definitely a bad piece of evidence for him. But we've known that since the video came out and was corroborated by 10+ witnesses, that's not a new bombshell.


As they are saying, why would a grieving innocent man who just found out about the brutal murder of his wife and child, lie about not being at the kennels? It may not be a bombshell in your eyes, but it hasn't at all been reasonably explained by anyone.

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What did he testify about his clothes? On his direct or cross?

Where is the blue shirt that he was allegedly wearing on video, that has mysteriously disappeared?
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12298 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:35 am to
There is every reason to think Alex was responsible for these murders. His alibi is shot, evidence shows he was there, and he lied about it.

There is no logical alternative that seems more likely.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:37 am to
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Where is the blue shirt that he was allegedly wearing on video, that has mysteriously disappeared?


SLED testified they never asked for the shirt or went looking for it. That's in evidence.

If they believe he murdered them in the blue shirt, why did they test, retest, and retest the white shirt? Why did they spend days of testimony about it in their case in chief?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:39 am to
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There is no logical alternative that seems more likely.


So by the preponderance of the evidence(more likely than not, aka 50.1%), you deem him guilty.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is a much higher standard than that.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167281 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:44 am to


I imagine the blue shirt and long pants were stashed at his mama's house and guessing later destroyed?

Buster apparently said on the stand, that his father took showers a lot. Someone remind me what clothes Blanca said she laundered?

Also: not that this needs to be any more convoluted. But Alex looks heavier than the hours before bent tree pic?
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 8:46 am
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2720 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:44 am to
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Beyond a reasonable doubt is a much higher standard than that
nobody cares, they’ve watched the hbo series and they’ve seen the tv show hosts proclaim his guilt

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