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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)

Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:44 am to
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:44 am to
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EVERYONE I've listened to this morning on trial channels are all stating that they believe he's dead in the water


The two women jurors crying during his testimony isn’t really good news for the prosecution.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:45 am to
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SLED testified they never asked for the shirt or went looking for it. That's in evidence.

Which is why they obtained so much testimony from AM that he was a friend of SLED and they constantly were trying to cover for him and his family. It had been going on for generations.
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If they believe he murdered them in the blue shirt, why did they test, retest, and retest the white shirt? Why did they spend days of testimony about it in their case in chief?

Again, why did he change shirts?

We can do this all day. I haven't seen the trial from day one, so I'm not familiar with everything and don't want to come across as I do. I'm repeating what every single legal expert was saying this morning.

And I will just say, yesterday, you stated that the state presented "literally" no evidence that would give the jury any reason to convict. And you argued that it's a known positive strategy for defense attorneys to put their client on the stand, as opposed to being more of a desperate move when the state has done a good job of proving their case. When people pointed out most defense counsel try to keep their client off the stand to avoid damaging cross, you argued that was false and exactly opposite, even though most don't put their client on.

I just think you're a bit over the top in favor of Murdaugh, which I guess I find a bit strange.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:46 am to
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Someone remind me what clothes Blanca said she laundered?


She said she saw a pair of jeans and a white shirt near the shower.

SLED inspected the house, looked in the showers and bedrooms, and saw nothing out of the ordinary (aka, no blood or bloody clothes).
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:48 am to
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The two women jurors crying during his testimony isn’t really good news for the prosecution.

Probably not.

But that was prior to cross examination, and when his counsel was trying to drum up sympathy. I doubt that at that point, they tuned out the remainder of the testimony, including tuning out cross examination.

Juries, especially women, probably display quite a bit of different emotions, depending upon the testimony.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:50 am to
I think the prosecutors are spending too much time on his financial crimes and not the Murders
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:52 am to
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But we've known that since the video came out and was corroborated by 10+ witnesses, that's not a new bombshell.
Some people binge watched the Murdaugh movies and are just now coming in interested. So I posted the videos for that purpose.

I am unsure of a lot of things. Was it established AM threw Maggie's cell phone from his car while driving? I missed this part.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:54 am to
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I think the prosecutors are spending too much time on his financial crimes and not the Murders

I agree. If they don't move on from that fairly quickly this morning, I think they're making a mistake.

He's wanting to make a point that AM looked at people that he loved in the eyes, and completely betrayed them. So why not believe he could do that to his wife and kid. I think everyone in the world knows that he's a complete arrogant douche, and liar. Move on.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:57 am to
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I think the prosecutors are spending too much time on his financial crimes and not the Murders


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I agree. If they don't move on from that fairly quickly this morning, I think they're making a mistake.

He's wanting to make a point that AM looked at people that he loved in the eyes, and completely betrayed them. So why not believe he could do that to his wife and kid. I think everyone in the world knows that he's a complete arrogant douche, and liar. Move on.


It feels like he's on trail for financial crimes.
Posted by gravy553
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:57 am to
Agreed, the seems very personal to Waters. Time to move on.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:59 am to
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Which is why they obtained so much testimony from AM that he was a friend of SLED and they constantly were trying to cover for him and his family. It had been going on for generations.


AM has no relationship with SLED. His buddies are local police/sheriff's. It's honestly possible that AM has seen SLED misconstrue evidence in the past that was used to convict innocent people.

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Again, why did he change shirts?


That's what he wore to work, do you often change out of work clothes at some point when you get home?

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We can do this all day. I haven't seen the trial from day one, so I'm not familiar with everything and don't want to come across as I do. I'm repeating what every single legal expert was saying this morning.


I don't think it's unfair to ask why the state presented days of testimony about clothes it's assumed (again, they have no coherent narrative) were worn during the murders, and now suddenly are jumping back to different clothes. I could easily see that jump taking place in an investigation, but not for evidence that required substantial time during the case in chief. More of the state just throwing a bunch of facts against the wall and hoping the jury clings to something.

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And I will just say, yesterday, you stated that the state presented "literally" no evidence that would give the jury any reason to convict.


I said they presented literally no direct evidence.

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And you argued that it's a known positive strategy for defense attorneys to put their client on the stand


It is if the defendant can handle the cross.

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as opposed to being more of a desperate move when the state has done a good job of proving their case.


This certainly does happen. Not what's happening here IMO.

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When people pointed out most defense counsel try to keep their client off the stand to avoid damaging cross, you argued that was false and exactly opposite, even though most don't put their client on.


I argued that the defense trusts AM's ability to avoid pitfalls that prosecutors used to trap people, make them fly off the handle, seem unhinged, etc. That's yet to be the case with AM.

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I just think you're a bit over the top in favor of Murdaugh, which I guess I find a bit strange.


I'm in favor of the state puting together a well though out and cohesive case to put someone away for life or even the death penalty beyond a reasonable doubt. I've yet to see anything close to that yet. I tend to look at it as if I were the one on trial and I didn't do it, I would want others to actually look at the evidence presented and determine guilt based on that evidence (as is the law).
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:01 am to
I am watching it LIVE here

anybody got the link of those lawyers that comment while watching the trial?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:02 am to
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Was it established AM threw Maggie's cell phone from his car while driving? I missed this part.


Not in the slightest. The state spent a significant time trying to pinpoint when the last orientations on her phone changed assuming that was when the phone was thrown. That doesn't line up with the OnStar data about when AM left the house to go to Alemeda. That's my point about contradicting evidence that the state itself has presented.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 9:13 am
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9408 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:02 am to
I don't know how many more ways the prosecutor needs to establish he's a liar, crook, addict and general piece of crap. If the Jury hasn't come to that conclusion by now they never will. It's time to wrap this up.
Posted by Bluefin
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Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:06 am to
Waters is trying to get Murdaugh to talk about how he lies to people he cares about, and Murdaugh is just dodging it time after time.

I understand why Waters is trying to nail him down on this, but Murdaugh won't give him what he wants and it's just coming off as ineffective and weak the longer it goes on.

Waters better be planning to devote a ton of energy on nailing him down on his lies about where he was during the murders. That's really all that will sway the jury at this point, IMO.

ETA: And now the discussion about his drug use is giving him cover for a "brain fog" explanation about his lies to the cops.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 9:08 am
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:10 am to
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ETA: And now the discussion about his drug use is giving him cover for a "brain fog" explanation about his lies to the cops.


Can a person take 30 oxy pills a day and not die? Is that possible?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167281 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:16 am to
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ETA: And now the discussion about his drug use is giving him cover for a "brain fog" explanation about his lies to the cops.
Exactly. The jury will be enamored of the details of prescription pills addiction.

Being on these same pills for surgeries in the past of the lowest dosage. I can say that even in this stage of the drugs you do and say some goofy assed things and don't have the cognitive skills that something is wrong that is.

It is why all should use these pills sparingly and get off of them ASAP. Not everyone has this will power...

Euphoria and brain fog. yaddah yaddah yaddah. But the jury will get all up in this in sympathy for an addict hearing details.

But did this crafty AM lawyer kill his wife and son? Or pay someone to-is where we are at...

AM will not confess. He is a sociopath I think with many alter egos.

NOTE: he is already calling them all by their nicknames.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
88182 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:17 am to
This line of questioning is horrible

I still think the prosecution is in bed with defense
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167281 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:21 am to
Can someone update the nicknames?

PauPau is Paul

Mags-Maggie

He just literally switched to not calling them by their nicknames...

I think this guy has a few personalities.
Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
2894 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:22 am to
"Paw paw, Mags, Bus, Ro-Ro"

This dude.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167281 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:26 am to
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"Paw paw, Mags, Bus, Ro-Ro"
RoRo is Roland, correct?
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