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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:17 pm to
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:17 pm to
They also had a dude with a drone who heard something was going on at the house days later, police raid for evidence. He showed his drone video on Netflix. It clearly shows Buster and another dude taking I think 7 rifles out of the house, loading them onto his truck, and leaving. Like they were tipped off by LEO.

And it’s very clear video.

I don’t really know what to believe.
Posted by Cajunhawk81
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:17 pm to
Blood Splatter is junk science.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:21 pm to
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I haven’t seen the early part of the trial so you might be right. But on the Netflix special, they state that there is blood splatter on Alex shirt that proves he was standing next to at least one of them killed. Direct evidence.


That shirt was tested twice by SLED (state crime lab) and found no human blood on it. It was then sent to a 3rd party lab who found no blood, it was then retested and no blood was found. It was tested again, and micro splatter of blood was found. It could have been fish blood, ferret blood, feline blood, etc. It was a fishing shirt. That shirt is a total debacle.

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They also say that on Paul’s phone, there is video of just before the shooting, and Alex can be heard on the audio. They said it’s not even questionable that he was there when the murder occurred. Just not sure if he did it or had it done.


He was put at the scene at I beleive 840pm by the snapchat video. They don't know when the murder actually took place definitively. The jumbled timeline that the state seemed to put forward basically hypothesized that he killed them at 850, ran to the house, took a shower, stashed the guns, stashed the bloody clothes, got all evidence off himself and no where in the house, and left by 9:03pm to make it across town to Alemdia to visit his mother (corroborated by the nurse there).
Posted by gravy553
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:27 pm to
Tell that to Dexter
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39251 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:36 pm to
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I heard someone in the media say a couple of weeks ago that people are still scared of the Murdaugh’s. Why? Any power this family had started to crumble in February 2019. The power that was in the law firm and Solicitor office is no more. Alex destroyed all of that.

There’s still two other brothers that are more stable, likely smarter and more powerful than Alex, and more subtle as well.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9794 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:43 pm to
I think that he hosed off at kennel, had clothes already out there, rode ATV retrieved phone and got in car, got to Almeda and parked near the tree line-where he never parked, there was plenty of parking space by house-where he could easily hide everything in smoke house, and then ran in for quick visit with his mother.
He went back a few days after his father’s death, retrieved everything-which was probably in some sort of cooler and deep sixed it.
He tried to claim he stayed longer at his mother’s than he actually did-tried to influence the sitter to say he was there longer, tried to get housekeeper to say he was wearing different clothes than he was, lied about being at the kennels, and all of the OnStar info, seems more than enough to find him guilty.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 8:45 pm
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:52 pm to
Have you actually been following the trial? Because all that shite you wrote sounds like someone who hasn’t been following the trial.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:58 pm to
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Have you actually been following the trial? Because all that shite you wrote sounds like someone who hasn’t been following the trial.


Yes.

What did I say that was inaccurate?
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39251 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:06 pm to
That’s a pretty good summary.

Alex is a very cunning guy and experienced attorney, and you can bet it was planned out in detail, which makes it much easier to accomplish preplanned tasks quickly, minutes are like hours. And he had complete control of the crime scene and murder weapons before and after the murders, so it isn’t shocking that things like bloody clothes, gunshot residue and ballistics aren’t available as evidence.

Those that haven’t followed or paid attention to the trial are now claiming the state didn’t prove up its case because that person couldn’t or wouldn’t pay attention to it
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39251 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:10 pm to
It’s a mix of what you said and didn’t say. We’ve been discussing it in this thread the whole time, you can just read the thread instead of me repeating it yet again.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:12 pm to
K.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:53 pm to
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It’s a mix of what you said and didn’t say. We’ve been discussing it in this thread the whole time, you can just read the thread instead of me repeating it yet again


I read every post you have in this thread. You never talk directly about the shirt that the prosecution spent days in their case about.

You have two posts talking about the lack of direct evidence saying that since AM had control over the scene for 15 minutes at the alleged time of the murders that it's clear he cleaned and stashed everything, cleaned himself, and left no trace of stashing the guns and clothes at his parents.

Pretty disingenuous reply to my post about the shirt if you were being honest.
Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
Member since Feb 2015
5582 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:00 pm to
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The now-dead son


Just watched the mini series in Netflix this week. It was obvious the son, Paul went into crazy mode when he was drinking. The way his eyes looked gave me the creeps and his friends noticed how much he changed when he drank.

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one of them, a nineteen-year-old named Paul Murdaugh, was more inebriated than the other. He had slipped into an aggressive alter ego, nicknamed Timmy by his friends. One of the passengers later testified, “When they can tell he’s drunk, somebody will say, ‘All right. Here comes Timmy. We got to go.’ ”
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9794 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:05 pm to
I also think that him calling everybody to tell them about “Maggs” and “Pau-Pau”, two names he’s never been heard to use in all of his interaction with LEO, was intentionally done to compromise the crime scene.

BTW, down anybody know the story on how his mother’s obituary(Miss ‘Em) was incorrectly put in the local newspaper about 30 or 40 years ago?
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39251 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:22 pm to
I wasn’t referencing the shirt.

I wasn’t referencing only my posts. It’s been a long group collaboration.

Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39251 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:30 pm to
People talking about AM’s motive or mindset (or lack thereof). By Alex’s own words, he hired someone to murder him… yet that’s not enough to prove he was highly and mortally unstable and capable of anything?

And there have been many moments during the trial, especially outside of the jury, where something was said that pissed Alex off and you could see the evil there…definitely not the same person you saw on the stand today talking about PauPau and Mags.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80523 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:47 pm to
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I wasn’t referencing the shirt.

I wasn’t referencing only my posts. It’s been a long group collaboration.


I'd really love to know what in my post was inaccurate, misleading or pertinent info was omitted.

From your posts, about the only coherent thing I can glean is that you have significant bias against those with red hair.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39251 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 11:29 pm to
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The state hasn't shown direct evidence of any of that.

Direct evidence is not required. If you’d seen or heard the jury instructions you’d know that.
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Hasn't put forth a coherent theory of any kind.

Just stupid.
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They have jumped from financial witnesses, to character witnesses, to crime scene analysis, to gun casing primer residue experts.

That’s called building your case.
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And there is nothing there.

So abjectly stupid that it’s hard to comprehend much less answer.
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No clothes of Alex's with blood or DNA, no murder weapons,

Not dispositive or necessary. If it was, countless murderers would never (and wrongfully) be convicted.
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no coherent or consistent motive,

Wrong. You either didn’t watch the trial or have a fatal case of ADD. Regardless, not required per the jury instructions, which, again, you would know if you watched the trial.
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no evidence of covering up, hiding, cleaning, of blood, gun powder residue, etc.

Which is expected considering Alex controlled the crime scene.
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Even their circumstantial evidence contradicts itself time and again.

Well that’s just stupid.

Alex was with them minutes before they were murdered. He lied about that, repeatedly, and pressured others to lie to support his bullshite timeline.

He is, by his own words, mentally unstable enough to hire someone to murder himself and deceitful enough to lie to hundreds of people to defraud them out of tens of millions over a ten plus year time span..

So clearly you either haven’t been following the trial or else you lack the comprehension to process what you’ve seen and heard.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11926 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:51 am to
Last night I was reflecting on Alex Murdaugh's performance before the jury and especially in response to the cross examination. The word contrite came to me from my protestant religious up bringing.
Did I feel his contrition was real? No. But what cynical me feels doesn't matter, all that matters is how it plays with the jury, the only audience that matters right now.

Will we see more contrition this morning? you betcha.
Posted by CheesyF
Member since May 2017
537 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:52 am to
so you have been watching the whole time and you still think this is a slam dunk guilty verdict? beyond a reasonable doubt?
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