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re: In Louisiana, do you have the right to refuse a field sobriety test?

Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
22024 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:52 pm to
Read this somewhere : a guy got stopped & as the officer approached his car, he took several swigs out of a fifth. When told to stop, he told the officer he was just nervous. The fifth was a whole bottle, not opened yet. A good defense?
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22346 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:53 pm to
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Is anyone that has posted in this thread an actual attorney with knowledge of the laws concerning this?

Joshjrn is a real attorney in BR, so yes.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13875 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:59 pm to
I think the lose your license part (from refusing) is a civil matter, where the dwi/dui is a criminal matter.

If you can afford a lawyer, they can usually argue successfully to keep your license.
Posted by Spook
504
Member since Jun 2019
280 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:59 pm to
wow
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 11:34 pm
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:00 pm to
I was. I made many 98 cases.

The only Field sobriety that is taught in Applied Science in the academy is

Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus

Walk & Turn

One leg stand.

The HGN is very accurate. The other two can be if done properly, but many officers are too slack in administering it.

The only admissible machine is the Intoxilizer 5000. Before you get to it, you are read a form. The very first sentence is, You are under arrest by a police officer who has probable …….

The 3 FS tests gets you to that point.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
17371 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:01 pm to
You can refuse the physical field sobriety test.
If you refuse the breath test they double the time your license is suspended and in some parishes, including Jefferson, they subpoena a blood sample and you can’t refuse that.
Posted by LSUgrad04
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
1915 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:06 pm to
Not in Louisiana. A field sobriety test is not a chemical test for intoxication.

The implied consent laws in Louisiana require an individual to submit to a chemical test for intoxication when a peace officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the individual was operating a vehicle on a public highway while impaired.

If the individual does not submit , the suspension of their license is longer than it would be if the test(s) were to be taken and failed.

A chemical test for intoxication includes breath, blood, and urine, but not necessarily all three. It does not include field sobriety tests.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16171 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:13 pm to
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Never blow a Breatheluzer.


Idk man, the Breatheluzer almost won WW2 for Germany
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32888 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:15 pm to
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Disagree about not taking sobriety test when u feel u can do good. (especially since dash cams). I have seen attorneys get a lot of mileage from a solid dash cam sobriety test and the subject did not blow. That dude could be swaying like a small tree in the storm but the dash cam looks like his steady as a rock.


It’s been a while since I went back and read the old NHTSA training manuals (before you rascals removed the study), but all clues present, conducted perfectly, in perfect laboratory conditions has a, what, 28% false positive rate?

But it’s not conducted in perfect laboratory conditions, and it’s almost never conducted perfectly. Some frick ups I can clock on video, like if the sweeps aren’t taking the full two seconds, or if the stimulus is held way too high/low, but I have no way of arguing whether there was or wasn’t nystagmus or smooth tracking. I can’t see whether there was a proper neutral background behind the stimulus because the camera is never pointed in that direction. Etc, etc.

You’re right when you say that someone looking solid on dashcam or BWC is tremendously useful, but I don’t need SFST for that. And considering that SFST is unreliable at the best of times combined with any errors being construed against the driver, and any theoretical benefit isn’t worth the risk of frickery, in my opinion. Sober people should blow; no one should do SFST.
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 10:26 pm
Posted by dwr353
Member since Oct 2007
2173 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:17 pm to
Correct. I always had enough evidence for a conviction before the subject ever took a test. I wrote my arrest report with enough observations, smell of alcohol, slurred speech, redness of eyes, impeded balance, etc. The test results if taken were just gravy. In 20 years with LSP I had zero cases found not guilty relating to a DWI arrest. Had one case dismissed for a suspended license because DMV failed to send documentation. That was not on me. Judge even stated that in court. The most important thing I learned was never lie under oath. Once you lose credibility, you are done. I was never disrespected by a defense attorney in my years and actually got along well with them. They had a job to do and I had mine.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80695 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:17 pm to
Don't drink and drive like a tard and you never have to worry about that BS
Posted by Eternally Undefeated
Member since Aug 2008
935 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:28 pm to
It always astonishes me how many people on this site strive to learn the best ways to avoid being convicted of DWI, instead of simply deciding not to drink too much before driving a vehicle. Others are so proud of their expert insight that they promote it as failsafe.

Not taking the intoxilyzer will indeed result in a license suspension. However, it does not mean that one will not be convicted of DWI. Many, many, many convictions for DWI have been obtained when neither blood nor intoxilyzer results were available. Remember, there was a time when such devices did not exist (but DWI convictions did).

On the other hand, taking the intoxilyzer and registering a level LESS than 0.08 will almost always result in one NOT being charged with DWI. Exceptions to this can be seen when there is evidence suggesting that a driver had consumed drugs, too, before driving. I suggest that someone who would have scored less than the legal limit had they taken the intoxilyzer is actually exposed to a risk of being convicted of DWI because - as I have indicated - convictions are obtained all the time when no BAT results are known.

Shame on you if you are afraid to take an intoxilyzer because you believe you are over the limit. You have nothing to be proud of. The BS you learn on this site likely won't help you.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13875 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:39 pm to
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On the other hand, taking the intoxilyzer and registering a level LESS than 0.08 will almost always result in one NOT being charged with DWI. Exceptions to this can be seen when there is evidence suggesting that a driver had consumed drugs, too, before driving.


I know some police officers who have the opinion that “he has to be on something” so they arrest you anyway, after blowing a 0.06 after drinking the requisite two beers that everyone claims.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15072 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 11:41 pm to
They cannot suspend your license for refusing a fiend sobriety test. But they will arrest you after you refuse. Then you have to decide to blow in the machine or not.

And your license is not suspended automatically. You have the right to file for a hearing within 30 days in front of a civil judge. The part with your license bring suspended is actually not a criminal matter, it’s a civil matter. Most attorneys have no clue about this.
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 11:53 pm
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22346 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 11:56 pm to
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And considering that SFST is unreliable at the best of times combined with any errors being construed against the driver, and any theoretical benefit isn’t worth the risk of frickery, in my opinion. Sober people should blow; no one should do SFST.

And you haven’t even touched upon the calibration procedures, or lack thereof, regarding the breathalyzer machine that can presented into evidence, in favor of someone facing a DWI if calibration schedules have been periodically missed or neglected completely.
Posted by lsumailman61
Gulf Shores
Member since Oct 2006
7968 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:11 am to
Cops will lie, cheat, and steal to make a case against anyone they deem guilty. Don’t put yourself in that position for them to come after you.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49072 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:15 am to
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Never, ever, ever do Standard Field Sobriety. Never. There is literally no circumstance in which it's in your best interest to do so. Dead sober, dead drunk, anywhere in between. Doesn't matter. Don't do it.

And no, there is zero repercussion for refusing SFST.

This is my most favorite post from you.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
21356 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:22 am to
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Cops will lie


Almost every police report of a suspected DWI will say the driver had bloodshot, glassy eyes.

Really? Next time you are at a bar or party, look around at all the drunk folks and see how many meet that cartoon description. It’s a bullshite lie 90% of the time, but they’ve done it for decades.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:31 am to
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refusal is an automatic license suspension.


this ^^^^^^^^^^

refusing is a plea of no contest, which in simple terms means you plead guilty without providing proof of your guilt. im not sure why they even bother stipulate you have a choice, when in reality, you really dont.

same result either way so you may as well take the risk you are barely under the limit when checked.
Posted by redstickrick
Laffy, La
Member since May 2019
469 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:32 am to
Technically it is not even civil. It is an administrative matter where you’ll get an administrative hearing with the DMV. Dealing with the dmv may be the worst pat of your sentence though.
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