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re: If you are a cop, quit your job.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:32 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:32 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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She pulled a fully loaded glock out thinking it was a taser and shot and killed a suspect.
muh safe action system
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:27 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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End the war on drugs and a HUGE amount of this goes away. And stop using police as a revenue stream from citations as well.
George Floyd was passing counterfeit money. The store clerk called the cops for help because any fake bills he accepts comes out of his paycheck.
This latest joker had a warrant for firearm possession. The democrats want to dramatically increase gun control laws.
How exactly would this go away?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:37 pm to LewDawg
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can’t believe I wanted to be a GA State Trooper
You just wanted to wear orange and blue.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:46 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Being able to treat people like shite just for the hell of it, with no consequences?
Oooooof
Try again
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:48 pm to diat150
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frick being a cop
You have to have incredible restraint. Day after day.
I advise everyone do to a ride along.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:48 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Burgundiaz
Below is a picture the good apples, the ones honestly doing their jobs breaking up illegal park gatherings.
Bro, if you're going to use a picture insulting the police, at least use a picture from the US and not some foreign country.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:07 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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All for 60k a year?
I wish. If im lucky ill make that when Im 54 and can retire with full benefits and health ins for life.
A few years ago I interviewed for other jobs at entry level positions. Got beat out by "diversity" and veterans
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:08 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:I would not have arrested them, no.
Cops are not independent, but rather do as they are told.
You claim that the McCloskey's being arrested was wrong. If you were ordered to arrest them would you have done so or resigned your job?
However, the two departments I worked for were chosen because of my feelings regarding their structure as well as municipal and county leadership. In short, I'd have not applied at STLPD.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
If I was a cop and had to arrest someone, I’d just ask them to put the cuffs on themself and get in the car. If they said no, I’d just drive off.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:15 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
When politicians cut their dead head salaries in these smaller cities and towns and start paying cops what is deserved and when they up that cop pay scale, stop hiring some politicians’s nephew who has no business with a gun, they can get better people to do the job.
And with my above run-on sentence, same should have been done with all those English and language teachers I had.
And with my above run-on sentence, same should have been done with all those English and language teachers I had.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:17 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:Would you say that being a felon makes a person a "bad person"?
I’m perfectly comfortable saying more than 50% of cops are bad cops.
quote:I answered your question regarding people of any profession breaking the law. Or do you not think that everyone is innocent until proven guilty? Or that only some people are entitled to a defense?
So you equate the cops that got away with executing Daniel shaver while he was laying prone on the ground in a hotel hallway with malpractice insurance? If you had no interest in or weren’t capable of having an actual conversation about this you should’ve just said so.
I get it, you don't like police. But it seems like you don't think they are deserving of the same standards afforded to others. I don't understand that.
quote:Interesting. So I'm lumped in with some hillbilly deputy despite serving a community thousands of miles away from him? Seems draconian, but do you I suppose.
When the whole has established decades of precedent for sitting back and doing nothing when the few commit shitty actions, it’s really easy.
quote:I can supply a litany of examples, but so can Google. But I suppose you'll only see that data that your bias allows you to see.
The differences of course being I’m more than happy to say people that do awful shite in my demographic should be sitting in prison, while the people in your profession usually don’t have to sit in prison after they do awful shite.
I readily recognize there are horrible officers out there. No doubt.
You think that some 350K officer out there are rogue criminals.
One of those takes seems a little more sensible and reasonable than the other, I think.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:19 pm to USMEagles
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She pulled a fully loaded glock out thinking it was a taser and shot and killed a suspect.
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muh safe action system
The department should have splurged on the “whoops not a taser”-proof option:
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:19 pm to FreeState
quote:Well that's the trick bag. Many people want infallible, straight-laced LEOs...for $14 an hour.
When politicians cut their dead head salaries in these smaller cities and towns and start paying cops what is deserved and when they up that cop pay scale, stop hiring some politicians’s nephew who has no business with a gun, they can get better people to do the job.
You'll get some good, salt-of-the-Earth Andy Griffiths in there, for sure. You'll also get a bunch of goons.
I'm not saying police need to command 6-figure salaries, but there has to be a middle in there somewhere.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:46 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Would you say that being a felon makes a person a "bad person"?
What’s the felony? I laid out specific criteria for what it takes for me to consider someone a bad cop.
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I answered your question regarding people of any profession breaking the law.
While ignoring the very real fact that many cops never face any consequences for breaking the law because they are protected by their coo friends.
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Or do you not think that everyone is innocent until proven guilty? Or that only some people are entitled to a defense?
I think when there is video of a non threatening person laid out on his stomach in the hallway of a hotel and he is executed, the person that executed him should be punished.
Instead, the coo that executed Daniel shaver not only never faced any real jail time, he was actually rehired by his department and allowed to retire for “medical reasons” so that he could collect his taxpayer funded pension for the rest of his life.
Go ahead and attempt to explain that.
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get it, you don't like police. But it seems like you don't think they are deserving of the same standards afforded to others. I don't understand that.
If I did what the coo that executed Daniel shaver did, or the coo that killed Tamil rice did, I’d be in jail for life or facing the death penalty. Neither of those cops faced any meaningful jail time.
Tell me more about how I’m the one advocating for different standards.
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Interesting. So I'm lumped in with some hillbilly deputy despite serving a community thousands of miles away from him? Seems draconian, but do you I suppose.
Here you are again acting like this isn’t a widespread, pervasive problem. And you wonder why so many people have this perception about police doing anything to protect their own.
Tell me more about how the cops in places like Minneapolis, St. Paul, St. Louis, Dallas, Cleveland , Baltimore, etc are hillbillies.
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I can supply a litany of examples, but so can Google. But I suppose you'll only see that data that your bias allows you to see.
I’ll make you a deal. Let’s go 1 for 1, you name the instances where a non-police person, that is known and capable of being captured if necessary, killed an unarmed person that was not causing immediate harm to anyone and did not go to jail for it, and I’ll do the same for police in the same situation.
Who do you think runs out of names first?
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I readily recognize there are horrible officers out there. No doubt.
Only the hillbilly deputies, according to you.
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You think that some 350K officer out there are rogue criminals.
I think any cop that stands by and does nothing while another cop breaks the law, violates a constitutional right, or just generally treats citizens like shite for no real reason is a bad cop, absolutely. As a cop, you should be very familiar with how liberally the legal system can name someone as an accomplice to an illegal act. That just about never happens with cops though.
There I go wanting different standards again.
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One of those takes seems a little more sensible and reasonable than the other, I think.
Yea, one holds cops accountable for playing a part in getting their house in order. The other thinks it’s just the hillbilly deputies that are the problem.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:13 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:I don't know. You pick. It doesn't matter to me.
What’s the felony? I laid out specific criteria for what it takes for me to consider someone a bad cop.
quote:Many people never face consequences for their actions. The world is full of them. Is that your argument, that some things aren't fair?
While ignoring the very real fact that many cops never face any consequences for breaking the law because they are protected by their coo friends.
quote:I am wholly unfamiliar with his case, but it sounds like your beef here is with the judge or jury or DA, not the rest of the rank and file officers. They didn't have make the decision on what he was charged with or what he was convicted of or what his sentence would be.
I think when there is video of a non threatening person laid out on his stomach in the hallway of a hotel and he is executed, the person that executed him should be punished.
Instead, the coo that executed Daniel shaver not only never faced any real jail time, he was actually rehired by his department and allowed to retire for “medical reasons” so that he could collect his taxpayer funded pension for the rest of his life.
Go ahead and attempt to explain that.
quote:Was Rice the one who had the toy gun that looked like the real gun and neighbors called and said he was pointing it at people? Again, sounds like your beef is elsewhere.
If I did what the coo that executed Daniel shaver did, or the coo that killed Tamil rice did, I’d be in jail for life or facing the death penalty. Neither of those cops faced any meaningful jail time.
Tell me more about how I’m the one advocating for different standards.
quote:Well, it isn't widespread. Your own figure was more than half, and that's just clown stuff. Unless I'm wrong, of course. Please define the subjective term "widespread" and omit "pervasive" because, by definition, police corruption is not pervasive.
Here you are again acting like this isn’t a widespread, pervasive problem. And you wonder why so many people have this perception about police doing anything to protect their own.
Tell me more about how the cops in places like Minneapolis, St. Paul, St. Louis, Dallas, Cleveland , Baltimore, etc are hillbillies.
quote:Again, it seems like your beef is with the courts, judges, juries, etc., not the rest of the officers who have no say on whether anyone, police or otherwise, is charged or not charged or convicted or not convicted.
I’ll make you a deal. Let’s go 1 for 1, you name the instances where a non-police person, that is known and capable of being captured if necessary, killed an unarmed person that was not causing immediate harm to anyone and did not go to jail for it, and I’ll do the same for police in the same situation.
Who do you think runs out of names first?
quote:Again, your beef is beyond the rank and file.
I think any cop that stands by and does nothing while another cop breaks the law, violates a constitutional right, or just generally treats citizens like shite for no real reason is a bad cop, absolutely. As a cop, you should be very familiar with how liberally the legal system can name someone as an accomplice to an illegal act. That just about never happens with cops though.
There I go wanting different standards again.
The majority of your issues don't stem from line officers, it seems. You have an issue with charges, prosecutions, trials, and sentencing, none of which are performed by officers. Well charging...kinda, but not really.
The funny thing is that you don't vote for which officer gets hired, but you do very likely vote for judges, DAs, mayors, etc., and those are the ones that are actually pulling the strings.
Have you addressed any of these points with people of influence, or just the guy that used to police a long time ago?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:24 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
It sure seems like some people have no problem finding fault with cops actions but somehow fail to find fault with a citizen actions.
In many of these cases it takes 2 to tango. Sure the cops could do stuff different BUT SO COULD THE PERPS.
Why does all of the blame seem to go on the police? Amd the people getting stopped and clearly making the situation worse getting a pass?
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:28 pm to tgrgrd00
quote:I mentioned in another thread, many police get paid what fast food workers get paid, but expect their behavior and response to be beyond reproach.
It sure seems like some people have no problem finding fault with cops actions but somehow fail to find fault with a citizen actions.
In many of these cases it takes 2 to tango. Sure the cops could do stuff different BUT SO COULD THE PERPS.
Why does all of the blame seem to go on the police? Amd the people getting stopped and clearly making the situation worse getting a pass?
I just can't reconcile that. Fast food wages will get you fast food workers.
I'm not beating the drum for $100,000 cops, but you usually get what you pay for. And that's sad. We all deserve better than that.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:30 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If you are a cop, quit your job.
And give up all that power and become a lowly civilian peasant?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:31 pm to USMEagles
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She pulled a fully loaded glock out thinking it was a taser and shot and killed a suspect.
If I was a sheriff or commissioner I would round up every taser on the force and trash them. They often don't work for shite and you can avoid situations like this.
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