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re: If you are a cop, quit your job.

Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:14 am to
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
13522 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:14 am to
I feel badly for them. If one of them makes a mistake, the sh*tbags of the world want to hold ALL of them accountable.

Imagine if these areas actually get their wish- and places like Minneapolis disband their police. The moron element both in and out of the local gov't there may think that's a great idea- but I guarantee you they won't like the outcome.



Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6568 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:18 am to
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Cops are glorified pirates. Same rules, same rewards.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18267 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:23 am to
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Funny how that never seems to apply to the perps


I guess getting shot and killed isn't a consequence
Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
4318 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:52 am to
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have got almost 16 years on the job. I joined within weeks of graduating from LSU. This is the only thing I have ever done or intended to do for life's work. The past 4-5 years in Baton Rouge have been rough. Between the protest, ambushes, identity politics from leadership, failure to increase pay, and constant increase in violence due to failed local policies, I have watched countless good Cops leave the job. Most look like me. I am still holding out hope that the politics shift and we get the support we need to do the tough work we know is necessary.


Bro I was on the job for 17 years and have done everything from A-Z as far as police work goes. I finally switched careers 2 years ago. Wish I would’ve done it 15 years ago. GET OUT man shite’s not gonna change. Believe me you’ll be SO glad you did. Quality of life goes WAY up.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2555 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:52 am to
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See, I already did that. You’re just continuing to demonstrate you’re not capable of understanding that or coming up with a response to it.

Please show me a post you made that contained data to show that more than half of all police in the US are corrupt.

There is, of course, no such post and no such data. You're letting your feelings and emotion take the place of empirical evidence and data.

And that's fine. You are certainly entitled to your feelings. You just aren't entitled to long, drawn-out make believe discussion where I'm supposed to accept (based on no measurable statistic) the silly claims you're making.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119562 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:56 am to
Is that real?

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119562 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:57 am to
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Maybe if the FOP allowed bad cops to be held accountable we wouldn’t get in half of this shite.


Why are there police unions anyway, they are govt employees who already have set salaries and pensions.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:26 am to
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Please show me a post you made that contained data to show that more than half of all police in the US are corrupt.


I know that as a cop, you’re most likely of below average intelligence. You’ve also demonstrated that throughout the thread. So I’ll walk you back through how we got here. You said:

“”So what's the percentage of bad cops out on the streets? I'm sure you don't know, but entertain me. What's the percentage?

I replied:

“ How many cops were in that grouping that shite the beanbags? Because they’re all bad cops.How many cops were involved in arresting the mccloskeys? Because they’re all bad cops. A cop that sits back and allows other cops to do bad/wrong/illegal/unconstitutional things is a bad cop. Given the ridiculous protect our own stance that you and your profession have for each other, I’m perfectly comfortable saying more than 50% of cops are bad cops.”

You asked me to entertain you with my thoughts on the percentage of bad cops on the streets. I did exactly that. Now you’re demanding to see data that you admit does not exist because you’re mad about my percentage.

Meanwhile, you have offered literally no refute of my percentage other than ‘nah uh’. You haven’t attempted to explain why my percentage is wrong. You haven’t offered any facts or data that disprove my percentage. You haven’t even given your own percentage. Although I guess we could probably figure that out by simply counting the number of hillbilly deputies in this country, since according to you those are the only ones that are bad cops.

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You're letting your feelings and emotion take the place of empirical evidence and data.


you claim this and yet offer no empirical evidence or data that disproves what I’ve said. Why is that exactly?

Where is your empirical evidence and data that only hillbilly deputies are bad cops?

Where is your empirical evidence and data that the problem of cops protecting bad cops is not widespread?

Where is your empirical evidence and data that that problem cannot be pervasive by definition?

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You just aren't entitled to long, drawn-out make believe discussion where I'm supposed to accept (based on no measurable statistic) the silly claims you're making.


Accept? You’re not even capable of formulating a rebuttal.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
13522 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:35 am to
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I know that as a cop, you’re most likely of below average intelligence.


Welp, there it goes- any chance of a fair-minded discussion.

Posted by Seeker
Member since Jul 2011
1846 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:55 am to
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lift up the good ones and get rid of the bad ones.


Pretty much like any other social service profession. Firemen, police officers, teacher, social workers...a lot of people like to sit back and pretend they know how they should do their jobs, but all of those professions are underpaid and have to deal with shite. Focus on the good ones and have the ability to weed out the crappy ones.
Posted by Ibleedblackandgold
Back in Louisiana where I belong
Member since Jun 2009
2738 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:00 am to
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Her admitted mistake cost a man his life. She fricked up. When you frick up you face the consequences.



His mistake led to her mistake. It's time we stop demonizing the people protecting us and start pointing the finger at the actual scum causing these issues. Dude didn't deserve to die but don't pretend like he wasn't a piece of shite.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
20406 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:33 am to
I rather be a garbage collector than a cop
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2555 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:49 am to
So that's a big ol' word salad for "no, these are my feelings and I have no data to support them."

I'm married and have a teenage daughter. I understand that sometimes feelings are big and they can't be explained. Emotions are real things, and they can be scary.

Once you calm down, you may be able to gather the numbers that support your own claims.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 12:13 pm to
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So that's a big ol' word salad for "no, these are my feelings and I have no data to support them."


So more stupidity from you suddenly demanding data that you have said multiple times doesn’t exist.

First it was “entertain me” and that was done.

Then it was “backup your claims of more than half” which was done previously and you never responded to.

Then it “you throw out a figure, then you defend it” which was done previously and you never responded to.

Now finally, it’s “show me the data than more than half of police in the US are corrupt.” This coming after you stating multiple times that you know there is no such data.

I never claimed to have data or insinuated anything remotely close to that. You asked me to “entertain” you, which I did and provided the reasons I picked that number. You don’t like the number, but you’re not capable of refuting it so you just keep saying ‘nah uh’

For a while there you were failing at trying to make other points to protect police. I’ll at least give you credit for making the attempt.

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I'm married and have a teenage daughter. I understand that sometimes feelings are big and they can't be explained. Emotions are real things, and they can be scary.


continues to whine about emotions but still can offer no rebuttal of any kind other than ‘nah uh’

Hopefully your daughter got her intelligence from her mother.

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Once you calm down, you may be able to gather the numbers that support your own claims.


I have never not been calm this entire thread.

You seemingly have no hope of ever being intelligent enough to put together any sort of support for your claims.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30302 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:22 pm to
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Cops are basically the baws who were good at sports in high school, but dumb as hell, and too dumb to hack it in the oil rig(and that takes a very special kind of stupid)

Someone brought this up the other day. I can't speak for every department, but I worked for two large metro departments.

Very, very few recruits were accepted without at least some college. Those with degrees were hired on at a higher rate than those without, and there were ceilings that you could not promote beyond without an advanced degree.

So not all departments are run like podunk, backwood agencies. Several (or mine, anyway) were proud of their product. Unfortunately not all locales see things the same way.


I can almost guarantee my department is more educated than the average population of my county. Do we have meatheads? Sure.

Trust me, the good cops wish it was easier to weed out the bad apples. You can thank union politics for that (which, by definition, means Democratic politics).
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:45 pm to
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Abraham H Parnassis


Boston PD Covered Up Police Union Head’s Child Molestation Charges for 25 Years

The Boston Police Department for decades allegedly hid charges of child molestation against Patrick Rose Sr., a former patrolman and former head of the police union, The Boston Globe reports.

The former officer reportedly faces 33 charges of sexual abuse of six minors aged 7 to 16, and he was arrested and charged last summer when the city learned of the allegations. But the Boston Police apparently had known about the child molestation charges against Rose since 1995, when it filed a criminal complaint against him for the sexual assault of a 12-year-old boy.

The police department ultimately dropped that criminal complaint against Rose but the internal investigation that followed, however, found that he did commit the crime, the Globe reports.

Despite the fact that the department has had this information for 25 years, Rose was allowed to continue serving as an officer for another 21 years and allowed to rise through the ranks to become the head of the police union that represents the city’s 1,500 police officers. As union president, he led the charge against requiring officers to wear body cameras.

The department continued sending him out to respond to calls that involved interacting with children. In 2006, he was even called to testify as the arresting officer in a child sexual assault case.

Meanwhile, the department allowed Rose to continue unpunished for so long that the girl who came forward with the abuse allegations last summer is the daughter of the man he allegedly assaulted in the 1995 case.


Look at those hillbillies in Boston covering for one of their own, allowing him to ascend to head of the police Union. Tell me more about how this problem can’t be pervasive by definition.

Some other particularly relevant gems from the article:

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This reported cover-up, the Globe reports, is just one in a series of cover-ups that the Boston Police Department has conducted over the years. The Globe last year found dozens of cases brought against police officers in past years for offenses ranging from domestic violence to car crashes caused by drunk driving, where the officers either did not face any consequences for the charges or were quietly asked to leave the force with no further consequences. The new allegations, then, are nothing unusual. “Culturally, the police organization exists to avoid scrutiny from what the police see as interlopers, people from the outside who don’t understand their world,” Tom Nolan, a former Boston police lieutenant and current sociology professor at Emmanuel College, told WBUR.


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“ It is appalling that there was a documented history of alleged child sexual abuse, yet this individual was able to serve out his career as an officer and eventually become the head of the patrolmen’s union for several years,” Janey said.


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The problem of police covering up their colleague’s crimes is not unique to Boston; quite the opposite. Referred to as the “Blue Wall of Silence,” such cover-ups are incredibly widespread across the U.S. and have been for decades. The mindset is so pervasive that in Maryland (and 13 other states), the police have their own “Law Enforcement Officers’ Bill of Rights” that allows officers to remain mum for 10 days on any incidents implicating fellow police officers. This special Bill of Rights is what helped police officers interfere with the case of Freddie Gray, who Baltimore police officers arrested and gruesomely injured to the point of death in 2015.
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