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re: If there is no heaven or hell, does the purpose & meaning of your life change?

Posted on 7/30/26 at 3:48 pm to
Posted by ShrimperDan
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 3:48 pm to
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unless you choose the wrong god. What makes yours the right one?



I think most major religions are essentially worshipping the same God.

Jews don't really try to convert anyone because they believe good people can still receive an eternal reward. I kind of feel the same way.

I'm Catholic. Catholicism says people who knowingly reject Christ put themselves in spiritual danger. Jesus is the only source of salvation. However, a person's explicit membership in Catholicism or another Christian religion is not necessarily required for Jesus to save them.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 3:49 pm to
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If there is no heaven or hell, does the purpose & meaning of your life change?


It makes life more beautiful.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 3:52 pm to
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Never says I was an atheist. I’m not.


Never said you were an atheist, said it seemed like you identified with the new atheists’ idea of culture Christians or you go to church but don’t really believe.

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I think there is a greater force out there, but I don’t pretend to know.


This is part of what I call neopaganism, and it’s what’s replacing Christianity.

You have literal Wicca, druids, etc., and you also have nameless worship of lust, greed, status, hedonism, etc. but there is also a vibes-based belief in a higher power/spirituality.

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Thanks for the well wishes.


Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 3:59 pm to
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Found the entitled a-hole


Why do you think I’m entitled?
Posted by KCSilverTiger
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:05 pm to
Atheists better hope they're right.
Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:09 pm to
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I think most major religions are essentially worshipping the same God.


You are woefully mistaken, and part of the issue is that people do not think enough about these matters.

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Jews don't really try to convert anyone because they believe good people can still receive an eternal reward


Wrong, they’re elitist who think they remain God’s only chosen people and are better than everyone else because of that.
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:09 pm to
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Why do you think I’m entitled?

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If there are no ultimate consequences for nefarious, selfish, or destructive actions in this life, why would one abstain from them?

You just admitted that you wanna do selfish, destructive things as long as theres no divine punishment.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:17 pm to
Pascal’s wager

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Basically, it's theorized that there's no risk to believing in God and being wrong.


Unless that is not exactly correct.

The more I learn about the universe, the more I believe in creation.

The more I learn about how the universe works (quantum / “time” / entropy / etc), the less I believe that creation matches what most were taught.

Pascal should have carried the one. Me thinks beyond the binary here.
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 4:18 pm
Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:20 pm to
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You just admitted that you wanna do selfish, destructive things as long as theres no divine punishment.


It is human nature to act in your own self-interest, and if there are no consequences to your actions, then you are have a wider choice of actions.

Also don’t put words in my mouth. That isn’t what I said.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:21 pm to
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Yes of course it does. If there are no ultimate consequences for nefarious, selfish, or destructive actions in this life, why would one abstain from them?


Just being a good person not matter to you? For the sake of it.

Are you saying you might murder, rape, steal or tear mattress tag off if there were no after life consequences?
Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:23 pm to
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Just being a good person not matter to you? For the sake of it.


Yet again, how do you define “good?”

You are probably using Christian morals.

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Are you saying you might murder, rape, steal or tear mattress tag off if there were no after life consequences?


I’m saying it is human nature to act in your own self-interest, and if there are no consequences to your actions, then you are have a wider choice of actions.
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 4:25 pm
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 4:46 pm to
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If I die & go to hell & many of my loved ones, my mom for example, are in heaven; how are they able to live in eternal peace & bliss knowing that I am in hell suffering & being tortured?


This is a great example, one of the many illogical, contradictions, labyrinth of non sense that is embedded in religions. All of them.

Drove me to question everything I was taught.

Believe in creation and the divine and found more logic, alignment, and sensible path when took decision to skip the middleman (minus the religion) and listen & learn with my own eyes.

On that journey now. I see more evidence for ‘God’ via the quantum (entanglement, time dilation, entropy, etc) than I do from religions.
Posted by 756
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:38 pm to
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Believers will never know if they are wrong.
Atheists will never know if they are right


If believers are right
Atheists will know they are wrong
And for them it will be too late

If Atheists are right,
No one will know

This is why seeking truth over knowledge, personal beliefs and theory is important
Posted by eddieray
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:44 pm to
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What if there is no Heaven or Hell but there is Reincarnation. Each next life is impacted by how you live this one


The whole Poli board is headed to Somalia in the next life
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 5:48 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:47 pm to
It seems strange to assume there should be a purpose to life beyond survival and reproduction.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:48 pm to
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But they have no concept of good and evil.

They instinctively know how to operate socially. It’s silly to think humans cannot extrapolate morals off of basic social constructs.
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I don’t understand this statement

For better or worse, religion is manmade and almost always associated with culture.
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Well no shite. They’re fictional characters and didn’t claim to be divine.

The point is that slapping some sensible wisdom on Jesus doesn’t give credibility to all the elaborate claims associated with him. He doesn’t have to be authentic to be inspiring.
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If you’re trying to argue that the people in the Bible are fictional characters instead of historical figures,

They don’t have to be historical figures to still be fraudulent.

Muhammad? Joseph Smith? Do you think their claims are legitimate because they are historical?

People most certainly can elevate historic figures to such a status that they might as well be fictional because much of the legend surrounding them is just that.
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I recommend The Historical Reliability of the Gospels by Craig L. Blomberg and Jesus and the Eyewitnesses by Richard Bauckham.

I have done a lot more than read books.

I have been to where Jesus was supposedly born, baptized, ate the Last Supper, was arrested, walked the Via Dolorosa, crucified, entombed, and ascended.

I have been to where God supposedly showed Moses the Promised Land on Mt. Nebo, where John the Baptist was executed at Machaerus, and the Foundation Stone where the Ark of the Covenant was believed to have been kept.

I have done my research, and no, I don’t believe divine beings and prophets performed epic miracles in the Middle East thousands of years ago.
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 5:49 pm
Posted by Loup
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Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:52 pm to
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This is also Jesus’s teaching.


It also predates Jesus.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:54 pm to
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There's plenty, but I suspect you'll only believe once you arrive


Must be nice to be able to be that confident about the reality of something we are only able to speculate on.
Posted by FizzyPop
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:59 pm to
Not really. I've come to realize that my entire middle class purpose on this earth is to pay taxes for "others" to thrive and not pay shite. You're welcome.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 6:02 pm to
Life works better when living by the principles Jesus would portray....Meanness breeds meanness. Hate breeds hate., and love breeds love. Why live a mean or evil existence and make yourself suffer in return.
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