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re: How much better would the South be had Andrew Johnson not sabotaged Reconstruction?

Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:25 am to
Posted by bluedragon
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:25 am to
The former slaves rejected the idea. No motivation to farm the land.
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:35 am to
William Sherman was the founder of LSU. If it weren't for Sherman, this website wouldn't exist.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:37 am to
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William Sherman was the founder of LSU. If it weren't for Sherman, this website wouldn't exist.


Well... that certainly is a basis to ignore his war crimes. Thanks for the needed perspective.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:40 am to
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Johnson had little say in the matter. The Radical Republicans held a veto proof majority after the 1866 midterm election. They implemented a harsh reconstruction regime but without the manpower, wherewithal and eventually the will to enforce it. By 1876 the north had tired of military occupation and the often violent backlash against it and abandoned the south to Jim Crow for the next 80 years.


This. Johnson was nothing more than an alcoholic placeholder. It’s the Radical Republicans of the North who sabotaged Lincoln’s very lenient 10% plan because they demanded that the South be much more severely punished than what Lincoln had planned.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 11:38 am to
What were his war crimes
Specifically
Posted by pirate75
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 11:38 am to
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War criminal, by any measure.


The Fat Electrician has a saying...." It's not a war crime, the first time."
Posted by WhiteMandingo
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 2:00 pm to
Well thatvis one way to look at , but white southerners aren't still complaining about being stolen from Africa till today.
* also not stolen , bought from African slave traders then brought to the Americas.
BRAZIL had the most slaves so the complain about whitey there.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 4:50 pm to
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Free labor

Yea, you lost me here, bud.

Slaves were not cheap labor.

If they were then everybody would’ve had many slaves and in actuality only the very wealthy could afford many slaves.

Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:28 pm to
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William Sherman was the founder of LSU. If it weren't for Sherman, this website wouldn't exist.
And if they had listened to his warning about how the war would go They might be better than the 50th-ranked state in the Union
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:43 pm to
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I have a better one what if the day some people were freed they were put back on ships back to the promise land.....


Because those people were born here… what the frick you talking about??
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:45 pm to
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It’s Always been the radical left. But even the radical left of that time look like nuns compared to today’s version.

Pathogenic viruses mutate. In this case they became virulent and more deadly but unbelievably stupid. They’re willing to eradicate the host and die with it. This is, as R. Lee Ermey put it, “ a deep shite situation”.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:45 pm to
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It’s Always been the radical left. But even the radical left of that time look like nuns compared to today’s version.

Pathogenic viruses mutate. In this case they became virulent and more deadly but unbelievably stupid. They’re willing to eradicate the host and die with it. This is, as R. Lee Ermey put it, “ a deep shite situation”.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:45 pm to
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Say if he followed through on any of Lincoln's racial reforms, and not let the KKK and their allies take over the south.


The original KKK, as founded by Nathan Bedford Forrest, faded away with the passing of Confederate veterans and never exercised much real power. The KKK that you know and Robert Byrd was a Grand Wizard of was founded in the early 1900s explicitly to exercise political power and sow fear.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:01 pm to
Fair point. Not free.

The ROI on buying a slave at 20yo and getting 20-30yrs of expected profits from this forced labor, particularly on cotton plantations, must have been hugely worth it - in business profits, starting a civil war (states rights of course) and risk of owner’s souls burning in hell for eternity.

Always wondered how slave depreciation tables were calculated and booked for taxes back in the day? Kunta’s one foot accelerated? Must have been.
Posted by Shorter Yards
Here and There
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:10 pm to
Africa would be better off, that’s a fact.

Anyway, back to reality.
Posted by MSUDawg98
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:53 pm to
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Culturally, the North is far more racist than the South

Certainly, historically, the offenses were more blatant in the South, but its changed; the North has not
We had this discussion my first semester at State. One of my friends from the delta put it like this. In the South people may be racist but they don't hide it. In the north they'll smile to your face and then be racist af behind it.

Before my family met my now wife my grandmother actually asked my mom if she was black (her maiden name could be either way). It's not something I would've thought twice about but with my eyes opened it was a ridiculous thing to ask. I'm the oldest grandchild but 10 years later the second youngest married a black guy. And yep... smiled to his face and his mother but then went off on the whole thing after the reception.

A moment I'm not proud of but when I was 5 or 6 we went to a large city grocery store and I saw my first black person "in the wild" (whites/asians were 98% of the population there). Amazed I loudly stated to my parents 'look there's a n*gger!' Something that a lifetime of experience makes you ashamed of but there's still pockets of people all over the north who would think nothing of it on a daily basis.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:36 pm to
Other than Atlanta what other towns?

This idealized view of a genteel almost idyllic South is so far from reality you present yourself as a foolish troll.

The South was living on borrowed time from 1855 on. There were more factories in PA and NY than the entire South. Money was flowing into places like NYC, Philadelphia and even Chicago. Better rail lines and more of them. A better mix of crops and food stuffs than the South
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 9:26 pm to
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William Sherman was the founder of LSU

No, he was the first president, Louisiana Assembly founded LSU.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:01 pm to
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How much better would the South be had Andrew Johnson not sabotaged Reconstruction?


How much better would the South be had the tyrant allowed us to peaceably secede?
Posted by Motownsix
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:41 pm to
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Culturally, the North is far more racist than the South


I’ve live/lived in 5 northern states and 2 southern states. I don’t find the north to be nearly as racist.

The more accurate description about some very white regions is that they are very supportive of minority causes and would tell the minorities that if they ever met any. I was probably 16 years old the first time I had an encounter with a black person.
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