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re: How does road construction take so long

Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:51 pm to
I love when its 8 people watching 1 person dig the hole
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
7666 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:56 pm to
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My brother lives a bit north of Atlanta. I visited for a week a few years back. When I got there, they had just finished tearing up a 2 mile stretch of the road that passed by the entrance to his neighborhood. He told me it took them about 3 days to remove it. They were expanding it from 2 lanes into 3 with a middle turn lane. In 7 days they had completely finished the entire project. Workers 3 laned 2 miles of somewhat busy road in less than 2 weeks. fricking insanity what goes on in this state. You see workers start a project. Then they simply abandon it for what feels like months. Then very slowly it eventually gets done over the course of 1 or 2 years.


They did this near my house in Austin. Road was 2 lanes when I left for a trip and when I came back it was 3. They're currently working on making it 5 lanes and that project is over halfway done now too.
Posted by TigerDude80
METRY
Member since Nov 2007
1898 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:00 pm to
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The lowest bidder wins the government contract to do the work.


Yep. That's why Airline and Clearview in Metairie is taking so long. Contractor went belly up during the work. Haven't seen a worker out there in a couple of months. The work is also shoddy as hell. I have no idea how the water is going to get into a drain that is 3 to 4 inches above the already new paved road.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31312 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:13 pm to
Because DOTD projects incentivize not working for weather.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
22281 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:15 pm to
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About 15 years ago a contract was bid at 1M but when finished the contractor had been paid 30M.



Can you provide some detail on the project you're referencing? Or did you just make that crap up? Seriously? Location? Highway(s) number?
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
25588 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:16 pm to
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The lowest bidder wins the government contract to do the work.



Good news is, they do such a shite job they'll be back in a few years to work on the same intersection again.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16635 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:19 pm to
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this ^^^^^^^

or a friend of a friend gets it.

if you want to stop the 6 years long road repairs overnight, you make the bid firm, with no cost over runs or changes made to increase costs and time.

you bid the job and you get "X" money, period, end of discussion, you get paid in quarters based on the amount of completed work, you complete the job by "X" date or you dont get paid anything more and the job goes to the next bidder.

you treat them exactly like you treat a contractor working on your property, you take away any incentive to extend the job since they will only lose money if they do that


Several years ago in Birmingham a truck damaged an elevated roadway (either a steel coil or maybe a fire, I dont remember). But the repairs were going to take months. The state contract had a clause about daily fines if it went over time, but it also had a large bonus for every day it was finished ahead of schedule.

The contractor did it like a month early and made a bunch of money. That should be the way things are done.
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
21207 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:19 pm to
Because the lazy workers are playing on their phones all day. Maybe 1 or 2 people working at any give time. They are lazier than teachers.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37699 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:24 pm to
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Have you ever worked road construction? Do you have any inkling of understanding on what is involved other than just driving by & spectating?

Quit rubbernecking and keep your eyes on the road.



found the dude who stands there flipping the sign around from Stop to Slow.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60683 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Because the lazy workers are playing on their phones all day.


This was an issue long before cell phones.
Posted by thegambler
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
2028 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:32 pm to
Location would be helpful.
Posted by Macfly
BR & DS
Member since Jan 2016
9967 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:38 pm to
Low bid then contractor needs more dough and a change order is prepared. Contrator drags feet until the slow moving government agency gets off its butt and submits paperwork and awaits authorization.
Posted by MarsellusWallace
504
Member since Apr 2022
541 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:43 pm to
Sir, you can get fricked.

Other countries can build bridges/ roads in a weekend and I can't get 300 yards of roadwork done in NOLA in 3 years.

Get off your high ground and get to work loser.
Posted by Death Before Disco
Member since Dec 2009
6440 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:48 pm to
It's all the corruption.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:53 pm to
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Then they make bank on "add ons"

About 15 years ago a contract was bid at 1M but when finished the contractor had been paid 30M.

nice anecdotal evidence. i'm sure 3,000% markup is the norm.
Posted by SaltyMcKracker
Member since Sep 2011
2952 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:59 pm to
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Public sector. They have no incentive to move quickly.


Liquidated damages is a pretty good incentive
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7606 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:02 pm to
This-

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Lot of utility relocation and installation that takes up most of the time. Once everything is out of the way it/in place the actual road building can go somewhat quickly


frickin AT&T acts like they don't have to move their fiber optic cable(s). Half the time they don't have a clue where they are but if you accidently cut one it will be Demons Unleashed. When you see one guy digging and 8 standing around that is what is going on,someone has to locate a lost cable.
Ever tried to move a 5 foot diameter sewer line ? How a bout a high pressure gas line?
Or about the one time about 30% into the project you see that the highway will connect 3 feet off center if built to the plans. State engineer comes out and agrees that someone made a mistake on the plans and the project stops for 6 months until new plans are drawn up and is cleared with the state's attorneys and the state's version of EPA and the Corps of Engineers.
I could go on.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
13320 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:04 pm to
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Lot of utility relocation and installation that takes up most of the time


Someone explain to me why a communications company would wait until after a road was freshly paved to come bury a line? The city has been paving several roads this year, and the road I live on being one of them. It took about a week in total, they grinded the old surface off, came back a few days later and repaved it, then after another week or so they came and painted the lines on it. This was a road that hadn't been paved in the entire 15 or so years I've lived there. A month goes by, and either Spectrum or AT&T has come and carved a thin groove in the road to bury a wire, then put a horrible stripe patch over it. I don't know why it bothers me as much as it does, and over time I know it will all wear down to somewhat even. Just seems like this could have been planned out a little better so they didn't instantly ruin a fresh pave job.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26798 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:07 pm to
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Liquidated damages is a pretty good incentive

Are these common in government contracts? I would be surprised but don’t know.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71451 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:19 pm to
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Seriously. They’ve been working on the same intersection for 9 fricking months. And all I ever see is construction workers standing around talking.

There's a less than half mile stretch of road in an area that I have to be in at least once a week where putting in a turn lane had taken nearly a year and a half now.
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