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re: History nerds: should the United States have entered the First World War?
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:10 pm to OysterPoBoy
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:10 pm to OysterPoBoy
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What was the beef here?
German u-boats sinking our ships
Zimmerman Telegram - Germany promised Mexico help retaking the territory lost in the US-Mexican war. Ie California, Arizona, New Mexico.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:13 pm to RollTide1987
Germany basically forced us into it by offering Mexico assistance in retaking the Southwest
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:19 pm to RollTide1987
Wilson did the right thing, stayed out until we couldn’t.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:24 pm to RollTide1987
No. The Kaiser wasn't a bad guy like Hitler.
He was just like ever other Empire leader including the Brits and the Tsar. They were all 1st cousins.
He was just like ever other Empire leader including the Brits and the Tsar. They were all 1st cousins.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:26 pm to RollTide1987
Nope. And we shouldn’t have gone over to Europe in WWII either v
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:30 pm to WITNESS23
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es, Lusitania ring a bell?
A British ship carrying 173 tons of war material.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:32 pm to OysterPoBoy
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OysterPoBoy
Why are you asking question like you are 12? We all learned this.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:49 pm to OWLFAN86
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Austria-Hungary tried to hold an empire. it had already lost
Reads to me that it was just a bunch of australian- hungarians that refuse to respect immigrants rights
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:51 pm to nola tiger lsu
I did not know this. I knew about Archduke Ferdinand and the trench warfare.
I didn’t know about Mexico and the u boats.
I didn’t know about Mexico and the u boats.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:54 pm to RollTide1987
Blame Zimmerman
Posted on 10/25/26 at 4:55 pm to RollTide1987
Once the Germans tried to get Mexico to attack us, the die was cast.
Incidentally, Mexico figured out the only way they could even fight us is if we armed them, so they said “thanks but no thanks.”
Incidentally, Mexico figured out the only way they could even fight us is if we armed them, so they said “thanks but no thanks.”
Posted on 10/25/26 at 5:15 pm to klrstix
it was old Royas last stand and nationalism's rise.
Sides were more ideological for survival's sake; the fight wasn't finished in the first place.
History, we living it man
Sides were more ideological for survival's sake; the fight wasn't finished in the first place.
History, we living it man
Posted on 10/25/26 at 5:18 pm to teke184
Germany was barely hanging on in the European war, no way they would have been able to force project and assist Mexico in taking on the USA.
Notice there was also the IF the USA enters the war, we will help you take the SW. They just wanted to keep the USA out of Europe. Well, in the end we DID enter WW1 and they didn't do crap about Mexico.
Germany was made out to be the bad guy in WW1 but with all the treaties and everything, once it was set in motion they were reluctantly obligated to jump in. Nobody there thought WW1 would turn out to be what it developed into. Once they were neck deep in the muck there was no turning back.
The world probably would have been much better off if the USA stayed out and Germany "won" a stalemate. Much better off of Germany stayed out of that Austro-Hungarian mess all together and just didn't honor the defense alliance and hung Austria out to dry for going after Serbia. The war would have remained localized and probably defused rather quickly.
Notice there was also the IF the USA enters the war, we will help you take the SW. They just wanted to keep the USA out of Europe. Well, in the end we DID enter WW1 and they didn't do crap about Mexico.
Germany was made out to be the bad guy in WW1 but with all the treaties and everything, once it was set in motion they were reluctantly obligated to jump in. Nobody there thought WW1 would turn out to be what it developed into. Once they were neck deep in the muck there was no turning back.
The world probably would have been much better off if the USA stayed out and Germany "won" a stalemate. Much better off of Germany stayed out of that Austro-Hungarian mess all together and just didn't honor the defense alliance and hung Austria out to dry for going after Serbia. The war would have remained localized and probably defused rather quickly.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 5:23 pm to RollTide1987
Coupled with a question of equal or larger magnitude...
If the Ottoman empire hasn't collapsed, wouldn't Israel, 9/11, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc be non existent?
Put that with the US not entering WW1 and you have a very different world today.
If the Ottoman empire hasn't collapsed, wouldn't Israel, 9/11, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc be non existent?
Put that with the US not entering WW1 and you have a very different world today.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 5:28 pm to udtiger
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but has also forbidden any inspection of the wrec
The presence of machine gun ammo and high explosive materials required for artillery shell production has been absolutely confirmed by marine dives and investigation of the Wreck of the Lusitania.
The British Govt eventually was unable to prevent this discovery.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 5:41 pm to evil cockroach
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Didn’t we hop in way late ? Like we picked the Side we already thought had a great chance to win?
I believe we declared war in late 1917 but didn’t get troops over there and in the fight until 1918. The U.S. defiantly broke the stalemate and broke an already depleted and increasingly demoralized Germany
Posted on 10/25/26 at 5:46 pm to RollTide1987
The US and Britain both should have stayed out of it.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 6:10 pm to RollTide1987
It's buff not nerd.
The Kaiser was a tyrant plus aeroplanes were starting to take off. Why not fly around Europe and kill some Germans too
The Kaiser was a tyrant plus aeroplanes were starting to take off. Why not fly around Europe and kill some Germans too
Posted on 10/25/26 at 6:27 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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thereby leading to literally Hitler.
Actually, it was the Treaty of Versailles that created Hitler and it is significant that the US Senate never ratified it because they thought it was too harsh.
World War II is sometimes presented as a failure of the US to support the League of Nations, but I don't think the League would have been any more effective than the UN is now. They just wanted us to pay for it all, and provide the canon fodder.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 6:30 pm to RollTide1987
No. It was a war for the banks. And not the last, of course.
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