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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN

Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:46 am to
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:46 am to
Still 981 mb on recon
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Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
5541 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:47 am to
sometimes I can't hold my tongue. I shouldn't have started shite this late into the game. sorry
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 10:33 am
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1777 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:49 am to
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that's an extremely disingenuous response to a very valid criticism.


It’s not a good criticism for exactly this reason:

quote:

90% of the population are absorbing the most basic of information given.


IMO, the cone is the distilled down reliability of the NHC forecast that is good for general public consumption.

It shows that despite all of that storm to storm variability (that you want incorporated, but undoubtedly do not have a good way to quantify and depict), the NHC is very good at producing a reliable hurricane track using all tools available.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:50 am to
The current track looks to be more Panacea/Crawfordville/Tallahassee than Tampa, although Tampa/St. Pete will be on the bad side of the approach.

I guess there are a couple of wobbles left, but this also looks to be a hurricane for South Georgia and a tropical storm for Atlanta.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Member since Aug 2004
93625 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:52 am to
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and a tropical storm for Atlanta.


They might get a hurricane...
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17135 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:52 am to
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I'm here now picking up some outdoor furniture but lets not pretend some tropical storm winds and maybe a cat 1 gust is going to take down anything built in Florida in the past 15 years.


But the track where it is going has a lot of older structures. When we responded to Madison after Idalia there were a lot of damaged older homes and LOTS of mobile homes.

The big bend may have the lowest population but it has some of the poorest areas of Florida (off the coast a few miles).
Posted by TXLSUCHE
Houston, Tx
Member since Sep 2005
693 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:52 am to
100!
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87349 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:53 am to
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Please stop criticizing the NHC. They are the very bestest at their job without exception. There is no room for improvement. To critique their methodology is blasphemy.. We must accept that the billions we give to noaa to tell us that mowing our grass is the reason hurricanes are getting "bad" is money that couldn't possibly be better spent elsewhere. To ask for better performance per monies spent is ridiculous and could seriously hurt some feelings. Always just be satisfied with the status quo.

---nhc bootlickers


I've observed posters raging at the NHC for years in these threads and I will never understand it

What motivates this? Is it just weird backlash to people who claim the NHC is a competent government entity (which it is, of course)?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75131 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:54 am to
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Turnblad85

Just shut up. You've proven time and time and time again that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51702 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:54 am to
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Please stop criticizing the NHC. They are the very bestest at their job without exception. There is no room for improvement. To critique their methodology is blasphemy.. We must accept that the billions we give to noaa to tell us that mowing our grass is the reason hurricanes are getting "bad" is money that couldn't possibly be better spent elsewhere. To ask for better performance per monies spent is ridiculous and could seriously hurt some feelings. Always just be satisfied with the status quo.

---nhc bootlickers

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting NHC to continue to improve their forecasts. I believe that they themselves want to continue to make improvements to their forecasts. There are a lot of hard working people at NHC, and throughout the National Weather Service. That said, constantly complaining about the cone and forecasts here doesn’t do anything. If anyone here has questions, concerns, comments, etc. about NHC’s forecasts, then the most effective way to get those addressed is by contacting NHC directly. I doubt anyone at NHC is reading this thread, so just posting about it here isn’t going to accomplish anything.
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
38984 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:54 am to
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Turnblad85


Can you fricktards turn it off for like 10 minutes? Exchange phone numbers or pass each other notes in study hall.

I'm trying to figure out if I need my all-weather jorts tomorrow.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:55 am to
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They might get a hurricane...


True - this one has potential to be very strong at landfall.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23304 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:56 am to
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Same here, Panama City.

As long as the storm stays east of Apalachicola FWB, Destin, 30A, PCB and PC should be fine.

Talking minimal storm surge and likely only tropical storm force wind gusts.

Biggest threat will be spin up tornados and flash flooding from localized heavy rain.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75131 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:56 am to
quote:

I've observed posters raging at the NHC for years in these threads and I will never understand it

What motivates this? Is it just weird backlash to people who claim the NHC is a competent government entity (which it is, of course)?

What people like that really want is a complete removal of personal responsibility and decision making from the equation. They want and expect to be told exactly what to do and when and how to do it.
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
16919 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:56 am to
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Still 981 mb on recon
yep good sign- RI has seemingly not started yet as apparently the Yucatán did a better job than expected in disrupting the organization process.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75131 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Slagathor

Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
93625 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:58 am to
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Still 981 mb on recon


Just went to 979.

Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
3436 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:58 am to
Even if we could get it down to a 40 mile zone, we have to plan everything for public consumption to the lowest common denominator. Not only does it give some leeway for complex systems, but, some will naively look at the track of the eye and ignore that hurricane force winds and surge will have effects far reaching from that point. Remember we are dealing with tide pod eaters.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75131 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:58 am to
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yep good sign- RI has seemingly not started yet as apparently the Yucatán did a better job than expected in disrupting the organization process.

Ehh, we now officially have a hurricane.

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This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:59 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51702 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:59 am to
Helene is now a Cat. 1 hurricane with sustained winds of 80 mph.
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