re: Have you watched The Social Dilemma

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I just hope that it shows people just how much money they are worth as the product

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Paraphrasing something someone in the doc said here: "If a company provides a product without charging you for it, then you are the product."

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This. It has changed so much since I originally made an account 10 years ago. None of that being for the better

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pfft

try 16 years ago

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easily shareable information, which is the entire point

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The creators of these programs even stated that that isn’t the point.

The point is addictive behavior.

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social media has never given me any type of grief or anxiety because I'm not using it to seek out my outrage porn

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Then you are the clear outlier, but we don’t make determinations based off of outliers.

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the benefits for me are easily able to set up parties/gatherings, follow local businesses that promote on social media, easily keep up with friends and family, all of which are positive and beneficial things to me

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You can do all of that without being on social media, at the same level of ease as well.

Scruffy does.

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I'll never understand why a place like TD, that almost always preaches personal responsibility, completely trashes that thought when it comes to social media

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Well, Scruffy doesn’t represent all of TD.

He will say that, despite your reported “benefits”, when the creators of these programs are stating things as significant as “what we have created will destroy the fabric of our societies”, we should listen.

The insanity is just getting started.

And removing “political ads” will not do anything to quell that.

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oh trust me, I constantly worry about the day that my kids get on social media

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It is worrisome because you know you'll never be able to keep them off of it.

You basically have to teach them as early as possible that social media doesn't matter and there are so many more important things.

But shite, even those damn kids games on the phone...LOADED with advertising.

the absolute worst thing about social media is its given then have-nots a place to congregate

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Massive spikes in anxiety, depression, and suicide in younger generations.

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This is a correlation. Much more variables than social media causing this problem.

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Massive social polarity secondary to tribalism generated, not by the people using the programs, but generated by the programs themselves.

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This is a perceived narrative driven by antecdotes.

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Massive social polarity secondary to tribalism generated, not by the people using the programs, but generated by the programs themselves.

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lets discuss this

the programs give you, the user, what you want, which is what they are designed to do

so why are we blaming the program here and not the user?

if the user wants outrage porn and the program gives them outrage porn, whose fault is that?

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lets discuss this

the programs give you, the user, what you want, which is what they are designed to do

so why are we blaming the program here and not the user?

if the user wants outrage porn and the program gives them outrage porn, whose fault is that?

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They are not giving you what you want. They're giving you whatever keeps your attention the most for advertisers. Just because it holds your attention doesn't mean that's what you consciously want. That's the whole premise.

That's too simplistic a view. These programs are deliberately manipulating us and pushing us to outrage porn. They're tapping on weaknesses in our psyche to nudge us ever more in the direction of disorder and chaos because negative news is inherently more attention-grabbing to our lizard brains.

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if they were all depressed and/or had anxiety over it, we would be collapsing as a society

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Have you seen our society over the last decade? It's certainly not headed in a great direction. We're polarizing and devolving into chaos.

No you just think everybody around you is functionally retarded. You realize everybody in this country understands these issues right? How many people do you know that takes the opposite stance? Outside of young people I'm guessing your first point isn't proveable and more related to economic despair.

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That is a narrative pushed by the people who created these programs.

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No it's not. I understand what the academics think these companies are capable of but they aren't there yet. Nobody is on Twitter and FBs popularity isn't improving. People on instagram aren't pulling news from Instagram. My guess is this documentary is based in theory and correlation much like the other surveillance capital pieces. The government is who we should be worrying about with 5G and merging with these companies through regulations. These companies seem untouchable at their peak like they have for the past hundred years and they will eventually go quietly into the night.

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Because you're being manipulated - they're giving you that dopamine hit with whatever they send and advertisers are paying big bucks for that attention time.

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how is this any different from any other product/marketing? how is it different from sugar? coffee? etc?

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You want it like a crackhead wants crack. Your logic is in the same vein as saying "well, what's wrong with a crack dealer? He's just giving crackheads what they want."

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Yeah. I know.

I think drugs should be legal, so...