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re: German cars- why it’s a $1,000 minimum for every time in the shop

Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by jasonbr1975
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2024
2870 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:48 pm to
Just a suggestion. You should start the car and try it out before putting all that crap back together.
Posted by holmesbr
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Feb 2012
4264 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:53 pm to
Always wondered how one would fair in a collision since it's just 10 gauge sheet metal between you and the other car.
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2956 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 9:09 pm to
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Most mechanics don't want to touch a European car.


I mess around with Mini coopers. They are pretty easy to work on. Much, much easier than some of the other cars I’ve worked on.

No one will touch these things and you can pick them up with mechanical problems for just about nothing. Even if you need an engine swap, the entire front end comes off the car in 45 minutes. It’s designed to be removed in one piece. Because of this, I own 3 mini coopers.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
11056 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 9:57 pm to
Had a Mercedes and a VW. Ridiculous maintenance costs....at least at the dealer. Maybe if you can find someone independent it'd be better.

Toyota, Honda, Mazda Acura have all been reasonable.
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
5586 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 7:45 am to
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Lithium is 50% lighter than AGM.
I was talking more about engine complexity (dynamic cam valve adjustment), multiple separately controlled coolant paths, etc. Not necessarily a battery that weighs less and is more expensive.

If you watch any videos of performance car failures and rebuilds, it becomes obvious that a standard and a performance autos are apples and oranges.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
45026 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 7:50 am to
Wife loved her little convertible BMW. But as the OP stated, it was close to $800 every time I rolled into the shop. They overly complicated everything on that car.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40633 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 7:58 am to
Yes, I was agreeing with you.

Was just explaining why Porsche (and others) would use lithium in the first place. As you know, weight savings are a huge objective in performance vehicles. There are also other considerations (RWS drain) as well.
That, and lithium batteries have excellent longevity.

I wouldn't want to modify any Porsche that was OEM for a lithium battery, personally.


The lithium battery in my 2020 was still in great shape when I sold the car in 23.
Posted by Boudreauboudreaugoly
Land of the Rice n Son
Member since Oct 2017
3349 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 8:02 am to
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I'm sure AutoZone or O'Reilly's will change them out for free.


I’ll go out on a limb and assume that this is sarcasm.
Posted by Boudreauboudreaugoly
Land of the Rice n Son
Member since Oct 2017
3349 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 8:06 am to
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batteries?

What, is this an EV?
Posted by pochejp
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2007
8162 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 8:18 am to
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I think most German autos require tools that prevent this


Multiple BMW car owner here (never again).

The special tooling is required if you're doing more than the average DIY job such as removing fuel injectors, main oil seals and timing parts. Other than those if you can wrench on cars the German ones are no different than any other. You will need metric tooling but you need that with Honda as well. I never found those BMW's hard to work on, the problem was how often with all the plastic crap they use these days.
Posted by Zippydog
metairie , La
Member since Jan 2020
1234 posts
Posted on 10/10/26 at 10:32 pm to
Close to 40 yrs ago !
Posted by BR Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2004
4855 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:23 am to
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batteries?


What, is this an EV?


An increasing number of ICE cars have two batteries. One is to manage the stop/start system that is present on new cars. Not all cars with that stupid “feature” have multiple batteries, but if it’s a single battery system be prepared for more frequent battery changes.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20884 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:29 am to
Got to justify those German union costs
Posted by RedlandsTiger
Greenwell Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2008
3238 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:30 am to
The British were way ahead of the Germans. My 1964 MGB had 2 6 volt batteries under the floorboards behind the front seats (at least you didn't have to remove the seats).

Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
75314 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:31 am to
You can't just replace the battery. You have to program the car to accept the new battery. . I tried fixing up a twin turbo 3 series convertible.
I gave up. It was thousands with me doing all the labor.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
35350 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:31 am to
Then some black lady yells at you for moving her seat
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
75314 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:32 am to
Actually once you get the shop computer (or just a Carly device) it's not that hard. . Some special tools but Amazon has them.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13807 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:56 am to
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You obviously never owned a vintage Beetle Could fix most issues with duct tape, baling wire, and a ball peen hammer (for banging on it till the problem got fixed)


Back then if it cost a grand to fix a beetle, you would get you another brand new one for nearly the same price.
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