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re: General contractor demands more education on how to protect employees after deportations
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:01 am to Klark Kent
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:01 am to Klark Kent
quote:Society is burdened by these contractors not withholding taxes and paying cash. The schools, the hospitals, police, welfare, the food banks, etc. costs are all taxpayer funded. So we get burdened with people (and their employers) who aren’t paying into the system. And the head contractor gets to pocket the profit while society as a whole suffers.
and what are the associated costs of bringing them here? VS the lack of savings we are seeing by bringing them here to put up sheetrock and pick berries?
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Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:20 am to Mike da Tigah
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I’m sure, unless you’re paying them in cash, you have to vet them in order to be covered on insurance. He’s full of it.
All manner of ways to pay illegals with almost not traceability and avoid those labor costs showing up in insurance audits. The easiest is simply paying them in cash. That and the fact that as illegals they are not in a position to do much complaining should you decide to pay them late or not at all is the main attraction to working them in the first place.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:24 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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You think new construction and manual labor is overpriced now? You will be begging for illegal aliens to come back.
I am not so certain this is so. Stick with me here for a minute but there has been a severe shortage of experienced skilled labor in the United States for the last 20 years or so AND a shortening of that supply over the last 40 years yet wages for most skilled trades have not kept pace with inflation and wages which have kept pace with inflation have not exceeded inflation by more than a percentage point or less. The shortage is not made up, it is very real. It has been for some time. The industry has managed to maintain modest wage increases despite having a serious shortage of skilled labor available. I am not so certain prices will get so high that people will be longing for illegals to come back.......
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:27 am to TDFreak
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Society is burdened by these contractors not withholding taxes and paying cash
Yet all other things being equal, you're going with the contractor that wants $80k to build your pool, not the $110k bid for someone that uses e-Verify. Everyone is brave until it comes to their own wallet.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:30 am to Traveler
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Employers that hire illegal aliens should be subject to hefty fines, jail time on the second offense.
Employers who hire them, customers who trade with those employers, land lords who rent to them, banks who bank with them....the list is long and involves a pile of folks who aren't here illegally. In fact the people who are here illegally should be allowed to replace about 80% of the frickers here legally who hire them, rent to them, do business with their employers etc. The illegal is here trying to better their lot and their families lot in life....it is a pretty desperate decision to make...the frickers here legally facilitating their being here illegally and who, in the process, are making a pile of money which is why they are doing it, are the scum of the earth. I would MUCH prefer having an illegal roofer living next door to me than a legal roofing contractor who would hire that illegal because he was inexpensive and could be easily exploited.....
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:31 am to AwgustaDawg
Just think about this, no one who was not here illegally was arrested. They have to go back.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:32 am to RaoulDuke504
frick Jeb. He is a worthless piece of shite.
$5M fine and 5 years in prison for the business owner for each illegal hired would put a stop to this shite really quickly.
$5M fine and 5 years in prison for the business owner for each illegal hired would put a stop to this shite really quickly.
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:34 am to Klark Kent
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we’ve let in somewhere between 15-20 million illegals in the last 4 years
No we haven't. There are somewhere between 10 and 17 million illegal immigrants in the US and most of those have been in the US a LLLLLOOOOOONNNNG time....far longer than 4 years. The problem is bad enough as it is because you have an under class who can be exploited by those willing to do so...there is no reason to blow the number up to silly proportions....doing so makes people shut down and stop listening.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:37 am to GeauxTigers123
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I mean right now they’re supposedly going around trying to find people with specific crimes. Now granted they’re picking up some collateral damage so to speak, but I don’t think we’re really gonna make a big dent in the 30 million that are already here. At least not enough to actually change prices.
There aren't 30 million here but no, we are not going to make a dent in the population of illegals who have committed a crime, let alone those who have not. That was never the plan....the plan was to SAY we were going to deport 20 million people, deport about the same number over time as we always have, and claim to have deported 20 million at some point. How so many people are still so delusional to think that politicians ever do what they say they are going to do and don't just claim to have done so is beyond me....
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:39 am to Ghost of Colby
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at least they are working their arse off, and not roaming the streets terrorizing neighborhoods
How do you know? You think your illegals just head to church after work and stay there until they head to their day labor pickup spot?
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:41 am to AwgustaDawg
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There aren't 30 million here
Based on what? What possible counting method can be trusted?
A quick search shows that one Yale study thought there might be 22 million here in 2018!
2018 Yale Study suggested 22 Million
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:42 am to RaoulDuke504
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I think having 30-40 million illegals in your country hurts supply
40? The number is now up to 40? LOL....the eco system for illegal immigrants between the ears of some folks is far healthier than the eco system between the ears of a fisherman is for a fish who was caught....the latter will only gain a couple of pounds over a lifetime of living between the ears of the fisherma....illegals have expanded 400% in a half a page of posts on this message board! If we don't do something about before this thread is 4 pages long there will be more illegals in the United States than there are humans on the planet.....
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:45 am to LSUFanHouston
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Most contractors are not big corporations. Most big corporations - outside of farms and chicken plants - verify immigration status
Do not delude yourself....most contractors also verify immigration status....it is damned easy to get enough documentation to keep an employer from being in compliance....all you have to have is a piece of paper, the contractor is not charged with verifying the validity of that piece of paper and it pays not to ask any questions.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:45 am to Tony The Tiger
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there are so few American workers who are both willing to do this work and can pass a drug screening/criminal background check
If they are hiring illegals, they are not doing drug screening/criminal background checks
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:47 am to AwgustaDawg
i guess the Moderates are attempting to re-write history of the past 4 years.
Inflation wasn’t thaaat bad…
But we all talked about how serious inflation was. No one downplayed it at all. Or made up new terms for increasing inflation.
Only a couple of million illegal immigrants came through the border.
….but it’s not a big deal and we need them here to pick blueberries and hang drywall. Our economy will collapse without them. But again, there’s only a handful of them here illegally.
COVID wasn’t polarizing to society. No one was trying to get people cancelled or fired for refusing the jab. The media totally didn’t paint the unvaccinated as second class citizens.
Let’s just erase all of that shite.
Also Awgusta if you’re going to reply. Don’t ask chatgpt for a 8 paragraph response to copy and paste in. Tell chatgpt to keep it to a maximum of 3 sentences.
Inflation wasn’t thaaat bad…
But we all talked about how serious inflation was. No one downplayed it at all. Or made up new terms for increasing inflation.
Only a couple of million illegal immigrants came through the border.
….but it’s not a big deal and we need them here to pick blueberries and hang drywall. Our economy will collapse without them. But again, there’s only a handful of them here illegally.
COVID wasn’t polarizing to society. No one was trying to get people cancelled or fired for refusing the jab. The media totally didn’t paint the unvaccinated as second class citizens.
Let’s just erase all of that shite.
Also Awgusta if you’re going to reply. Don’t ask chatgpt for a 8 paragraph response to copy and paste in. Tell chatgpt to keep it to a maximum of 3 sentences.
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:54 am to Bamafig
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Just think about this, no one who was not here illegally was arrested. They have to go back.
The question is this...which is more damaging to society, illegally crossing the border and working hard to improve your families lot in life or encouraging that illegal crossing with a low wage job so you can exploit that low wage worker and keep them under control so you can make a little extra money which in turns makes it difficult for legitimate business owners with some morality to compete with you? I would much prefer having a family of humans whose only crime was to seek a better life for themselves and crossing the border illegally than the person who hires them and pretends to be an upstanding pillar of the community....the latter is the scum of the earth, the former is simply doing what humans have done since time out of mind....migrated to improve their lot in life. The character it takes to do that compared to the lack of character it takes to exploit that person for you own gain is far more admirable....it ain't close.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:54 am to VADawg
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$5M fine and 5 years in prison for the business owner for each illegal hired would put a stop to this shite really quickly.
Not really going to happen because the only major dent happens by going after the big guys using subcontracting/freelance loopholes.
That's where about every big business in the country is saving on illegal workers and insulating themselves.
Yard work at resorts. Laundry for hotels. Cleaning crews at literally everywhere.
CEO's come in to cut costs and reduce payroll through subcontracts for a myriad of menial jobs. Many of these done are by illegal workers. Their hands are legally clean even though they know full well what's going on and they're hailed as cost cutting geniuses.
It's whack-a-mole to get the small time guys as someone will just be next in line. It's about getting Fed Ex, just for example, to not have illegal immigrants washing their trucks etc etc etc.
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:54 am to Ghost of Colby
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I’m pretty sure my house was built with the help of illegals
Safe bet.
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I’m also part of the problem
Did you have a choice between a contractor that did and one that did not use illegal aliens? Did you knowingly choose to use illegal alien labor to save a few bucks? If so, shame on you. If so, you’re equally guilty as the contractor who hired them to save a few bucks.
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However, at least they are working their arse off
Great. After they’ve been deported, they are welcome to re-enter by going through the proper legal process.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:56 am to Weekend Warrior79
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there are so few American workers who are both willing to do this work and can pass a drug screening/criminal background check
If they are hiring illegals, they are not doing drug screening/criminal background checks
Why on earth are drug screenings still preventing people from being qualified for employment???? That is a bigger problem than immigration legal or illegal. It is a fact, it is still a thing, why is beyond imagination....
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:01 pm to JoylessMurderball
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The economy will not crash due to illegal immigrants being deported and anyone saying that it will is just a dumbass.
i agree, the economy wouldn't "crash", and don't know who said that, i didn't... but make no mistake, some sectors, it would get fricking ROUGH, and would for sure make in impact in your normal day to day life in the form of increased consumer spending/budgeting...
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Every single immigrant here illegally committed a crime by entering the country ILLEGALLY, so there isn't one illegal immigrant in this country that hasnt committed a crime.
we know that much... but in the context that he was speaking, and which i was repsonding, "crime" pretty clear was meant as violent crime, and things along that line... not simply the "illegal" part of illegal immigration... again, there are many illegals that come here, work hard, mind their business, don't cause problems, etc...
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My mans brillant idea is a sweeping amnesty. What a dumbass statement.
i think absorbing a relatively skilled, taxable working class helps more than hurts us a nation... basically, draw a line in the sand, and start over with better, more enforced policy
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