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re: General contractor demands more education on how to protect employees after deportations
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:04 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:04 pm to AwgustaDawg
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encouraging that illegal crossing
By advertising Georgia's sCHIP/Peachcare program in Spanish on MARTA, you mean?
People looking to improve their lot with no cost to the host country are one thing. Like if I wanted to immigrate to most rando European countries, I have to show proof of funds, prove I've gotten health insurance in the target country at my expense, and pay for my kids to go to an English speaking school.
Or, you come to the US, where there are not only federal costs, there are hidden costs to state and county medical and educational systems, costs that are hidden through federal block grants like WIC, etc. We pay your downtrodden arse to come here and contribute cheap framing labor. Sounds like a deal, right?
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Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:11 pm to AwgustaDawg
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It is a fact, it is still a thing, why is beyond imagination....
Work Comp insurance
Our old plan required us to have a drug policy and insisted on random drug screens. We never did them (and when we did it was not random), but this could be why Had an old manager that used to like to tell people we would do them the first week they were hired. She'd send them out for the drug screen simply for the fact that if they failed, they are either too dumb to beat them and she doesn't want that type of employee, or their impulse controls is too week to refrain for a few days.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:14 pm to LemmyLives
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Or, you come to the US, where there are not only federal costs, there are hidden costs to state and county medical and educational systems, costs that are hidden through federal block grants like WIC, etc.
this is the aspect our “Moderate” friends seem to want to completely ignore. The hidden costs of importing low skill taxable manual labor AND THEIR FAMILIES from inferior countries, who don’t speak the same language as us, have no interest in our culture or history. (most of them despise us)
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:18 pm to RaoulDuke504
Trump needs to take all those extra IRS employees from Biden and send them DHS and audit company I-9's. Fines from that would add a good bit to the budget. shite, they fine you if you don't put "n/a" in certain boxes. Can't even imagine what they'd fine you for not even having them.
I hire only legal guys. It sucks being beat out by other subs using "contractors." My loaded hourly rate is like twice the illegal contractor rate.
I hire only legal guys. It sucks being beat out by other subs using "contractors." My loaded hourly rate is like twice the illegal contractor rate.
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:22 pm to RaoulDuke504
Illegal activities have consequences.
News at 5pm.
To quote the commie bastards on this board, “In order to make an omelette, you have to bust a few eggs” and have you seen the price of eggs?
News at 5pm.
To quote the commie bastards on this board, “In order to make an omelette, you have to bust a few eggs” and have you seen the price of eggs?
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:37 pm to VADawg
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$5M fine and 5 years in prison for the business owner for each illegal hired would put a stop to this shite really quickly.
One can be against illegal immigration and support the deportation effort, but this is absolutely stupid.
Y'all make it sound like illegals walk into a place of business wearing T-shirts that say "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT - HIRE ME." Sure, it does happen with residential contractors who hire from the Home Depot parking lot, but some of y'all would be absolutely shocked at how easy it is to game the system.
I've had employees pass E-verify, a 4-stage background check (with a SSN check), TWIC background checks, as well as military background checks only to find out a later date that an illegal slipped past all of that.
Are you suggesting I serve 5 year and pay a $5mm fine? If so, you're a fricking idiot. Or why don't we send the consumers of illegal immigration to PRISON FOR LIFE. Yeah, get some sheetrock work done at your house? Need a new roof? You might end up in prison if you pay a contractor that hires an illegal. How does that sound?
That will learn them.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 1:16 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Why on earth are drug screenings still preventing people from being qualified for employment???? That is a bigger problem than immigration legal or illegal. It is a fact, it is still a thing, why is beyond imagination....
For construction, it is absolutely essential. It can be a massive safety issue if someone is coked up running a boom lift.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 1:45 pm to Tony The Tiger
quote:Seeing as how construction, dangerous equipment, and intoxicants all predate drug screening by tens of thousands of years, I wouldn't call it essential, but I get your overarching point.
For construction, it is absolutely essential.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of workplace safety, pre and post, the widespread adoption of drug screening, that also takes into account improved methods and safety equipment, to see how much society has actually benefited from the practice, if at all.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 1:51 pm to northshorebamaman
Another aspect of drug-free workplaces is that if there is an accident, drug tests can be used against the employee to deny workers comp claims. I have a love/hate relationship with that, especially as it relates to marijuana. As an employer, yeah it keeps my workers comp down. As a non-business owner, kind of shitty for a guy to get denied for a legit workplace injury because he smoked a joint last Friday night that had nothing to do with an accident on Wednesday.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:03 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Right because they can’t cut into their 100k per build profit margin
Not white knighting for anything here but I can assure you there’s not nearly as much “profit” as you think in GC work. 2-3% is realistic. Sometimes you get lucky and have everything go right. The only way to have significant margins is in residential work, if you’re fronting the money to build a house and then sell said house. But you have all the risk. Commercial developers can have good margins but again you take all the risk.
Subcontractor margins, depending on the trades, can be significantly higher, especially in residential work. But a lot of that is based on volume and revenue.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:05 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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You think new construction and manual labor is overpriced now? You will be begging for illegal aliens to come back.
This is completely false. They have many sub contractors and general contractors that hire legal workers and still compete in the market.
Hiring illegals through staffing companies just makes things easier for them. No benefits, no insurance, no risk of slow downs and having to maintain a full time staff. They also receive tax breaks for using these staffing companies. This needs to be fixed.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:17 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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You will be begging for illegal aliens to come back.
You people are absolutely retarded, clueless dolts that have zero applicable experience so you just vomit the usual low-IQ talking points. If you knew anything about roofing/framing/concrete/masonry trades you know the actual price for a crew of illegals vs a crew of legitimate workers is practically the same. Lot of crews have a legal immigrant "boss" that hires illegals so he can pay them under-the-table in cash and pockets a lot more profit vs the legal crews, the overall cost of the work is nearly the same within a few percent. Any good contractor will tell you the real difference in these crews, aside from the quality of the work when it comes to special cases, is availability.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:35 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Work Comp insurance
Thats the answer and always was the answer. The advent of pre-employment screening and random screening has had no impact on workplace safety but it has damn sure saved workers comp insurers a pile of claims when someone is injured on the job and claims it was at the house or otherwise has their health care insurance, or in the case of the uninsured that paying patient, pay for their injury because they know they can't pass a drug test.
Workers comp is not meant to protect workers it is meant to limit an employers liability when an employee is injured on the job. That liability is severely limited in the first place, it is almost impossible for an employer to be negligent in any way for a workplace injury...their exposure is the same if they are or aren't. Their exposure is the same if the employee fails a post accident drug screening....unless it can be proven that the employees drug use was a factor in the accident. nearly impossible to prove, they are still on the hook for medical treatment and costs associated with the accident. A failed drug test will provide some leverage when it comes time to settle but if the employee is not interested in settling the employer is facing an almost unlimited amount of treatment for any number of years....so the employer settles....almost every time.
What does happen is insurers and drug testing clinics make a pile of cash while consumers pay more and workers are no safer either way.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:48 pm to LemmyLives
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People looking to improve their lot with no cost to the host country are one thing. Like if I wanted to immigrate to most rando European countries, I have to show proof of funds, prove I've gotten health insurance in the target country at my expense, and pay for my kids to go to an English speaking school.
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By advertising Georgia's sCHIP/Peachcare program in Spanish on MARTA, you mean?
People looking to improve their lot with no cost to the host country are one thing. Like if I wanted to immigrate to most rando European countries, I have to show proof of funds, prove I've gotten health insurance in the target country at my expense, and pay for my kids to go to an English speaking school.
Or, you come to the US, where there are not only federal costs, there are hidden costs to state and county medical and educational systems, costs that are hidden through federal block grants like WIC, etc. We pay your downtrodden arse to come here and contribute cheap framing labor. Sounds like a deal, right?
I do not see the difference between subsidizing the production costs of building contractors and subsidizing the production costs of WalMart and other low wage employees. In both instances management is the welfare recipient, the low wage employee is merely the middle man between the taxpayer and management. If I had a choice between a Mexican roofer and his family living next door to me whose only crime was crossing the border illegally and working in the US as a roofer and a WalMart heir I would pick the roofer everyday and twice on Sunday. The only law he has broken is one that is against human nature as old as the need to breath....the shite the WalMart heir has done to millions of people is akin to some third world despot.....it ain't close.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:49 pm to concrete_tiger
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There aren't 30 million here
Based on what? What possible counting method can be trusted?
A quick search shows that one Yale study thought there might be 22 million here in 2018!
2018 Yale Study suggested 22 Million
22 Million ain't 30, it ain't 40, and it ain't accurate....
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:08 pm to AwgustaDawg
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22 Million ain't 30, it ain't 40, and it ain't accurate....
That report was from 2018. If they think it was 22 million in 2018, do you think that illegal immigration has had a cool down period in the past 6-7 years?
Do you travel this country at all? Entire towns have been changed, RAPIDLY. My town is 20%+ Indian, and that has happened in the past decade and a half.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:23 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I do not see the difference between subsidizing the production costs of building contractors and subsidizing the production costs of WalMart and other low wage employees. In both instances management is the welfare recipient, the low wage employee is merely the middle man between the taxpayer and management. If I had a choice between a Mexican roofer and his family living next door to me whose only crime was crossing the border illegally and working in the US as a roofer and a WalMart heir I would pick the roofer everyday and twice on Sunday. The only law he has broken is one that is against human nature as old as the need to breath....the shite the WalMart heir has done to millions of people is akin to some third world despot.....it ain't close.
20 lines of incoherent rambling from an old white man justifying illegal immigration.
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