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re: Formula 1 chief appalled to find team using Excel to manage 20,000 car parts

Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:04 am to
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
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22685 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:04 am to
Looks like Williams is being sold on Salesforce.
Posted by StrikeIndicator
inside the capital city loop.
Member since May 2019
443 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:09 am to
If if they were to use an operating system, the data gathering is via excel templates. That onboarding process can take a year or two to see the benefits. Sounds like toxic leadership.
Posted by tylerlsu2008
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Member since Jul 2015
1103 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:23 am to
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I’m not saying this is the best software to use for an inventory program but 20,000 rows in Excel isn’t that much data and what he was complaining about could have been easily fixed.


This is absolutely asinine for any business to track inventory be tracking inventory in excel, much less an F1 team.

This is way way more embarrassing to Williams than it may seem on the surface, and provides a good look at why such a formerly great and storied team has fallen on such tough times.

And now that their are (wholly?) owned by private equity, I don't see it getting better.
Posted by tylerlsu2008
Zurich
Member since Jul 2015
1103 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:25 am to
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Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to use vlookup.


Amateur.... I could bust your vlookup easily given it's not dynamic unless you put an =column() that will adjust if columns are added to reference to look-up column.

Index / match is the way

Nonetheless, this is ridiculous for an F1 team. Sadly, i'd expect this out of HAAS.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 7:27 am
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:40 am to
Cloud-based ERP platform is the answer…
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
2916 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:40 am to
Big sponsor of F1, that and Oracle. Williams has been behind for years, without the real capital to compete. Software was probably the least of their worries. New infusion of cash, new Principal from Merc and now the blame shifts to not having all the bells and whistles.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 8:00 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118847 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:43 am to
Sounds like a common issue with growing businesses that need to transition from excel spreadsheets to hiring business process management team. Don't they have better planforms for this than excel, like SAP?
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27429 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:48 am to
The worst DMS in the auto business would run circles around excel for this sort of thing.

The one I hated was microsoft Access.

Oh you have 5000 lines with 30 columns each? Allow me to take 9 minutes to load for no damned reason.
Posted by tylerlsu2008
Zurich
Member since Jul 2015
1103 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:52 am to
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growing businesses


That's the big issue here. This isn't a "growing business". This is one of the most successful and storied programs in the highest form of motor sports.

Many innovations on consumer vehicles came via F1 technology.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:54 am to
Ars proceeds to say Renault used the same system while managing triple the data a few years ago.

Kinda negated the great visionary breakthrough Vowles intended to promote. Like a prior poster said, this sounds more like an advertisement for some software company they partnered with.



Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5322 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:06 am to
I would think the bigger problem with managing it in Excel is permissions and access. If everyone has carte blanc access to change data and formulas, it wouldn't take long to render the spreadsheet useless. I would hope they have it locked down for the most part. At least putting it in a database, building out the database with past orders and inventory on hand would really help with their future needs.

I don't know how long he harped on the excel aspect of the team. The thread makes it seem like he came in and thought everything was fine except the excel usage. I'm guessing it was just one thing in a list a mile long of things that need to change. I would hope this is the case at least.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4425 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:08 am to
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Vlookup can't look left, xlookup is where it's at.


Naw mane. Index and match.

Left, right, and multiple criteria. And it works on older versions of excel, too.


BUT - I agree there are way better business systems catered specifically for inventory control.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 8:10 am
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6283 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:09 am to
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Microsoft Excel.


quote:

"Impossible to navigate and impossible to update."


It's actually one of the easiest to navigate and update lol. Not like they were using Access or some other nonsense.
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
25805 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:12 am to
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Vlookup can't look left, xlookup is where it's at.
this guy knows.

I was very happy when I discovered xlookup and got to throw vlookup in the trash.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 8:13 am
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18572 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:15 am to
To be clear, what James Vowels wanted was specific engineering software that helps them track technical architecture. Using excel to for example, carry calculations based on different scenarios to be readily usable for moving to production
Posted by SauceBawse
Member since Mar 2022
179 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:20 am to
Sticky notes is where it’s at.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:24 am to
Guilty.

I may or may not havea couple excel documents like that
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24835 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:37 am to
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Williams should worry more about designing something that isn’t a shite box than someone using excel.


Alpine must use a damn magic 8 ball, lol.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3016 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:40 am to
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Excel maxes out at around 250,000 rows


Excel has a limit of 1,048,576 rows and 16,384 columns per sheet. CSV files can hold many more rows. You can read more about these limits and others from this Microsoft support article here.Jul 7, 2023

But good luck trying to open that file if you have data and calculations in all of those cells….

Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35360 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:43 am to
The entire global financial system runs on Excel just fine
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