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re: Formula 1 chief appalled to find team using Excel to manage 20,000 car parts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:55 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:55 pm to athenslife101
quote:Right, there is nothing "just fine" about it. It has resulted in numerous major frickups totaling many billions in errors. Not to mention it is a drain on human resources on a daily basis as there is almost always a better way to perform the tasks that Excel is being used for.quote:Eh, every place I’ve worked in the last 10 years (multiple Fortune 500 banks) have tried to massively restrict excel use as it’s an unsafe tool
The entire global financial system runs on Excel just fine
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:31 pm to Korkstand
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These workbooks are almost certainly littered with multiple errors.
Mine?!
No sir. My work is not littered with errors.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:40 pm to CatfishJohn
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Mine?!
No sir. My work is not littered with errors.
Would you be willing to bet money that no one could find a single error in your Excel work?
Is all user input sanitized?
Do your formulas/macros/scripts/code handle edge cases?
Do you have a test framework to ensure that given sets of inputs match the resulting outputs? Is that even possible to automate or must it be done manually periodically?
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:42 pm to Korkstand
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Would you be willing to bet money that no one could find a single error in your Excel work?
No, but I'll bet it's not littered.
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Is all user input sanitized?
This is very clean data that has gone through a big 4 audit.
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Do you have a test framework to ensure that given sets of inputs match the resulting outputs?
I have a dozen or so checks built into it and outside sources that I can reference to make sure a handful of random outputs are correct.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:49 pm to CatfishJohn
quote:Did they use Excel to generate and clean it?
This is very clean data that has gone through a big 4 audit.
If users are not generating and editing data, then you are using Excel essentially for presenting data which is a good fit for spreadsheets. Not so much an application as a data viewer. This is not so bad.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:28 am to rickgrimes
Welp -- in other news of Williams being dog shite now, that clown albon wrecked and FUBARed his car. And...they didn't bring a spare chassis. So now Sargent (the sole American in F1) has had his ride take away for albon to drive.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:35 am to rickgrimes
I would think a database program would be a better choice, but I think they may have started with Excel, without any planning, and added to it through time.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:50 am to 9Fiddy
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That said, there are much better products out there for inventory management, and since it’s F1, I’m sure they don’t mind spending the money.
F1 has a budget cap meant to help smaller teams like Williams but it actually hurts them in a lot of ways because the big teams like Ferrari, Red Bull, and Mercedes have huge amounts of equipment and resources that were paid for in years prior to the caps. Williams has very likely avoided spending money on what some might have considered unnecessary spending which has resulted in the issues at hand.
James Vowles who just took over as the team principal of Williams Racing came from Mercedes-AMG Petronas where they likely had custom-designed software for inventory management. When you go from the penthouse to the outhouse even if you have perfectly good Charmin somewhere on the campus (if you can find it) you are still going to miss the Toto bidet you had in your private WC.
ETA I wonder of anyone will notice what I did up there.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 8:22 am
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:03 am to rickgrimes
Use excel regularly for 15 years.
It’s not a database but it’s damn useful. 20,000 parts is nothing.
It’s not a database but it’s damn useful. 20,000 parts is nothing.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:19 am to Korkstand
Eh. To be fair excel is likely played a role for a vast majority of the worlds innovation (gotta be in the trillion $) and offers a powerful platform with low barrier to entry. Literally people can just learn excel and improve their livelihood substantially.
Without knowing details on the issues you mentioned, I would imagine it’s a user error vs an actual program issue. It’s a tool to capture information, perform calculations, and ultimately drive decisions. User error is not software error (the gun didn’t pull its own trigger).
I suspect a lot of effort in removing excel is to allow businesses to hire dumber people at a lower cost with a safeguard keep the company out of the ditch. It can also hide some of the steps from any employee wanting to actually learn and branch out on their own.
Without knowing details on the issues you mentioned, I would imagine it’s a user error vs an actual program issue. It’s a tool to capture information, perform calculations, and ultimately drive decisions. User error is not software error (the gun didn’t pull its own trigger).
I suspect a lot of effort in removing excel is to allow businesses to hire dumber people at a lower cost with a safeguard keep the company out of the ditch. It can also hide some of the steps from any employee wanting to actually learn and branch out on their own.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:25 am to rickgrimes
Meanwhile a recently replaced mechanic knows every part like the back of his hand. He was forced off the team for the sake of diversity
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:28 am to Obtuse1
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ETA I wonder of anyone will notice what I did up there.
I seent it
Posted on 3/22/24 at 10:36 am to GatorH8r
quote:Certainly, but it is not the tool for every job.
Eh. To be fair excel is likely played a role for a vast majority of the worlds innovation (gotta be in the trillion $) and offers a powerful platform with low barrier to entry.
quote:A huge amount of software developer time is spent on preventing/correcting user errors. Excel has a footgun behind every cell. When it is that easy for users to blow things up, and that hard to prevent such things, you are absolutely using the wrong tool for the job.
Without knowing details on the issues you mentioned, I would imagine it’s a user error vs an actual program issue. It’s a tool to capture information, perform calculations, and ultimately drive decisions. User error is not software error (the gun didn’t pull its own trigger).
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