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re: Forbes Piece: Flexible Work Was The Promise. The Infinite Workday Is The Reality
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:46 am to westbankdabestbank
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:46 am to westbankdabestbank
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Why would anyone want to waste two hours of their day stuck in traffic?
For some people, that's the only peace and quiet they get in a day
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:46 am to CocomoLSU
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Starting July 1 everybody has to be back in the office full time. And people here are freaking the frick out about it. It's so weird to me that they are so bent out of shape because they have to come back to work.
This is going to be a net negative. The good/valuable employees will either maintain productivity or retire/quit. (Which is one of the goals of the entire strategy; force people to retire/quit and downsize).
The crappy employees aren't the ones that are going to quit, mainly because they don't have other options. You're not going to squeeze extra/quality work out of lazy employees just because they're in the office. Especially since they'll bitch and complain constantly about losing 1-2 days a week at home.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:47 am to Jcorye1
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The bigger impact is making decisions. It blows my mind how few people actually make decisions
Covid ushered in corporate communism. Decision by committee for everything, meetings for everything, decide nothing, make pretty presentations, hit performance metrics, walk fast, look worried, carry papers.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:50 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I bounce ideas off people, but end of the day I make and own up to my decisions. If I'm wrong, I hate myself a bit, but apologize to those involved and move on.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:53 am to ragincajun03
I got the better end of the post-COVID deal, a hybrid schedule. WFH Monday-Wednesday. In office on Thursday and Friday. Because I offer early evening sessions, I work a schedule that sits towards the end of typical first shift/beginning of 2nd shift ending earlier on Fridays.
I love it. If I have a no show/cancellation I can get shite done around the house for that hour. I schedule a break in the middle of my day to get stuff ready for dinner later and to run errands if I need to.
And because of the hybrid I can see more clients = a bigger paycheck. I'm far more willing to see a client for a 7:00 pm session at home versus in the office.
The big key is having a specific space in the house (sometimes the office, sometimes working out of my breakfast nook area) for work that is largely just for that. And setting clear boundaries about when I'm available. I turn off the alerts on my Google Voice at a certain time, stop checking email, etc.
I love it. If I have a no show/cancellation I can get shite done around the house for that hour. I schedule a break in the middle of my day to get stuff ready for dinner later and to run errands if I need to.
And because of the hybrid I can see more clients = a bigger paycheck. I'm far more willing to see a client for a 7:00 pm session at home versus in the office.
The big key is having a specific space in the house (sometimes the office, sometimes working out of my breakfast nook area) for work that is largely just for that. And setting clear boundaries about when I'm available. I turn off the alerts on my Google Voice at a certain time, stop checking email, etc.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:56 am to westbankdabestbank
quote:don’t live an hour away from your job
This is part of it but the number one reason is commuting sucks. Why would anyone want to waste two hours of their day stuck in traffic?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:57 am to ragincajun03
Fortunately, I am retired since Dec 2021.
WFH was interesting but I do think the daily interaction and quick discussions that happened in the office had an impact on productivity.
I loved not having to commute 45-60min each way. I could either use that time for "home" stuff or get an early start on emails etc.
One thing I didn't like about the proliferation of portable tech (cells, laptops) was the increased expectation that you would were available when on business travel and to a lesser extent personal travel. Good times getting up to do email at 0600, go to meetings/demos from 0800-1800 then expect to be on the laptop answering emails, calls etc till late at night. Couldn't enjoy a meal with teammates or just check out the area. Travel was much more tolerable in the 80s-90s into the early 2000s.
When on vacation, my out-of-office said that I had no/intermittent cell access (mostly true) and gave alternate contacts. Certain individuals would get a response if necessary.
WFH was interesting but I do think the daily interaction and quick discussions that happened in the office had an impact on productivity.
I loved not having to commute 45-60min each way. I could either use that time for "home" stuff or get an early start on emails etc.
One thing I didn't like about the proliferation of portable tech (cells, laptops) was the increased expectation that you would were available when on business travel and to a lesser extent personal travel. Good times getting up to do email at 0600, go to meetings/demos from 0800-1800 then expect to be on the laptop answering emails, calls etc till late at night. Couldn't enjoy a meal with teammates or just check out the area. Travel was much more tolerable in the 80s-90s into the early 2000s.
When on vacation, my out-of-office said that I had no/intermittent cell access (mostly true) and gave alternate contacts. Certain individuals would get a response if necessary.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:02 am to ragincajun03
That's how I operate my days. Start at 6 because that's when my kids are up for school or wife is up for her job. I do log off by 5 regardless of what I have left to finish.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:06 am to ragincajun03
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We’re not just working longer hours—we’re working in a constant state of interruption.
In a nutshell, this is pretty much my day except that it's in person. I can handle the emails and Teams all day, it's the people who come into my office to chat which slows me down the most. It's why I loved WFH and why I love getting in at 7am: far fewer interruptions.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:27 am to ragincajun03
In general, I agree almost everything you said.
But this stood out for me.
Seems a poor example for your point. If the assignment was given that day or even the day before, then sure, I get it.
If you had weeks to get it done with the deadline clearly visible, it’s not the system or the culture stretching the day. It’s your choice to procrastinate.
But this stood out for me.
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Didn’t have to turn in some assignment online by 11:59pm.
Seems a poor example for your point. If the assignment was given that day or even the day before, then sure, I get it.
If you had weeks to get it done with the deadline clearly visible, it’s not the system or the culture stretching the day. It’s your choice to procrastinate.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:39 am to ragincajun03
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According to Microsoft’s latest Work Trend Index Special Report: Breaking Down the Infinite Workday, 40% of employees are already online by 6 a.m. A third are still answering emails at 10 p.m. And one in five is working on weekends.
quote:People are technically working 24/7 and productivity has increased.
What makes this even harder is that work isn’t just longer—it’s faster.
Email starts the day, but by 8 a.m., real-time chat takes over and the tempo accelerates. Microsoft found that the average worker now receives 117 emails and 153 Teams chats every day. Mass messages are up. One-on-one threads are down.
Crazy how pay hasn’t really kept up, huh?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:44 am to CocomoLSU
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In my experience, I've found that the people in my office want to work from home moreso because of the freedom that it gives you to sort of do whatever you want rather than them "being more productive" at home.
I like being in the office a few days a week, but I also enjoy the flexibility that comes with working from home a few days a week. I can make a cup of coffee and spend a few extra minutes with the kids instead of commuting, and if I need to do some laundry or something I can take 5 minutes to do that as a mental break instead of the 10-15 minutes I would take to go talk to someone.
The freedom to do whatever I want leads to me being more productive.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:51 am to ragincajun03
Problem is because there are supervisors and leadership people that have zero hobbies and only care and think about work after hours and weekends.
The fact that people like that can’t put work down and have a life is the main reason this exists.
Put people on hourly instead of salary and most of this would stop
The fact that people like that can’t put work down and have a life is the main reason this exists.
Put people on hourly instead of salary and most of this would stop
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:00 am to ragincajun03
The only time I answer work calls/emails after 6pm is if its from one of my superintendents and I know they have a concrete pour that night.
I'll listen to voicemails and if it isn't urgent, I'll deal with it the next day.
My job is not my life, its how I fund my life.
I'll listen to voicemails and if it isn't urgent, I'll deal with it the next day.
My job is not my life, its how I fund my life.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:07 am to ragincajun03
This is very interesting. So far our shop has done pretty well with keeping expectations within reasonable parameters of time of day and response and hopefully that continues.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:16 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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don’t live an hour away from your job
OT: Don't live an hour away from your job or you won't spend too much time commuting
*can't afford anything within an hour of the job*
OT: Then you just need to move further out to find affordable housing and safe neighborhoods.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:25 am to ragincajun03
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Everyone works on their own schedule, yet somehow, everyone expects everyone else to be instantly available.
I definitely found this to be a massive downside to WFH, which I did for 5 years. Everyone just expected you to be available all the time. I got so tired of it I changed jobs.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:04 pm to bad93ex
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People who schedule meetings after Noon on Fridays are
Back in the day when all meetings were in person, I found the best way to keep a meeting on point and and focused was to schedule for Fri PM. Otherwise, there'd always be one or two people who would turn the meeting into a rumor mill or talk about topics not germane to the meeting. With a Friday PM meeting, those same folk are looking at their watch and trying to get out ASAP.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:21 pm to CAD703X
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also when I do go into the office other than getting some peace and quiet I go into a conference room and pull up teams and everyone else is virtual so it's just me being weird in a conference room with nobody else in there.
I'm like what's the point of being here?
I’m not sure if you’re talking about the same thing, but here’s what I notice a lot - you have a meeting with 3-4 people in the same office, sitting 20 feet away from each other… on Teams.
I will admit that Teams can be very helpful for some meetings since it’s much easier for people to switch back & forth with screen sharing compared to a conference room. But it’s become the norm for every meeting.
Even when someone does book a conference room nowadays, there’s almost always still a Teams meeting. And if there’s a Teams option, somebody is going to call in rather than walking down the hallway.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:19 pm to olemc999
quote:You're damn right. Once Class-A office buildings were 50% or less leased & occupied, commercial real estate took massive financial hits.
Commercial real estate will collapse if WFH becomes the norm. The bankers got into the government’s ear.
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