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Double Slit...by observing an action we create it's future

Posted on 6/28/19 at 4:47 am
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 4:47 am
No baws, this isn't about lesbians. It's about an insane experiment that, at this point in time, concludes that by observing an action we create it's future. Top it off with a new experiment called the "quantum eraser" and it suggests that our observations affect the past. Unless the particles are moving >= the speed of light so they aren't affected by time (there is no future and past)?

This is probably the most user friendly of the videos you will find on this: LINK

I want to know, great minds of the OT, what in the frick is going on where we as conscious observers not only dictate the future but also change the past? Nobel Prize will be given to who can figure this out.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:53 am
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:04 am to
If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there to hear it fall, does it really make a sound?
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:13 am to
Does a bear shite in the woods?
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3884 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:21 am to
I'm too drunk to taste this chicken.
Posted by dyslexic
Left field
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:23 am to
What if C A T spelled dog?
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
49201 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:27 am to
quote:

What if C A T spelled dog?
quote:

by dyslexic
But it does, is something wrong with you?
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5761 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:40 am to
Thought the double slit experiment showed light moves as waves and as particles at the same time?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:02 am to
The behavior of light is dictated by the setup of the experiment and how it is observed. That principle applies to the entire radiation spectrum, not just the visible section.
Posted by Abadeebadaba
FL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:04 am to
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If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there to hear it fall, does it really make a sound?



Yes. When the tree hits the ground, it sends off a vibration of which we interpret as a sound wave. Just because no one was around to hear it, doesn't mean the vibration never occured.

If there is a medium of air, which there is, the sound has a medium to move through.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 6:07 am
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:30 am to
Ive seen a video on this and yes ots fascinating but it may be a while before we figure that out
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:34 am to
Much better, albeit much longer, video explanation and exploration.

LINK
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:39 am to
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When the tree hits the ground, it sends off a vibration of which we interpret as a sound wave.


So it makes vibration... Which we interpret as sound.

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Just because no one was around to hear it, doesn't mean the vibration never occured.


True. But there was no one or thing to interpret said vibration as sound.
Posted by Abadeebadaba
FL
Member since Sep 2010
5038 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:43 am to
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True. But there was no one or thing to interpret said vibration as sound.


Just because we don't observe physics, doesn't mean it is not happening.
Posted by brokelikeajoke
Member since Jan 2019
231 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:50 am to
quote:

Yes. When the tree hits the ground, it sends off a vibration of which we interpret as a sound wave. Just because no one was around to hear it, doesn't mean the vibration never occured. 

If there is a medium of air, which there is, the sound has a medium to move through.



Bull fruckin shiiiit
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 6:52 am
Posted by latech15
Member since Aug 2015
1291 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:51 am to
There’s still a lot that we don’t know. This experiment proves that.

Take someone who doesn’t know what they are looking at and have them record the results. If the results are the same as when one of these scientists conducts the experiment, then it is obviously not simply based upon the “knowledge”.

There is a scientific reason for these results, they just don’t know it yet.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:30 am to
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this isn't about lesbians.


Stopped reading here
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
5051 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:49 am to
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Take someone who doesn’t know what they are looking at and have them record the results. If the results are the same as when one of these scientists conducts the experiment, then it is obviously not simply based upon the “knowledge”.


Knowledge is not understanding. The observer doesn't have to understand what is going on in order for the behaviors to occur. In fact, a conscious human doesn't even have to be present. The detectors themselves are enough to influence the behavior of the photons.

Also, "observation" is not a conscious observer physically looking at the electron. It's just some sort of detection - be it mass, momentum, charge etc.

The issue with observation at this scale is that the objects physical state can be changed by actually measuring it. For instance, if you went out to a highway and took a picture of a car passing by, the photons that your camera sent out do not have enough momentum to significantly impact the momentum of the vehicle. But on the other hand, if you shoot a photon at another photon or induce a magnetic field to determine the state of that photon, then you absolutely affect the physical state of that photon. It would be like trying to determine the position and velocity of a car by shooting another car at it. Of course you will affect the physical state of that car.

This doesn't explain why the particle has a wavefunction and any attempt at measurement collapses that wavefunction, but it should clear up what an "observation" actually is.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135363 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:51 am to
"its" not "it's"
Posted by PCRammer
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Member since Jan 2014
1977 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:54 am to
eh, Im going to go to that other thread and watch that bawman and robin video...Im out of here.
Posted by PCRammer
1725 Slough Avenue in Scranton, PA
Member since Jan 2014
1977 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:55 am to
double post
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 8:55 am
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