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re: Double Slit...by observing an action we create it's future

Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:56 am to
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:56 am to
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Just because we don't observe physics, doesn't mean it is not happening.


Prove it.

The observation of physics can change physics.

Quantum mechanics.

A tree falling in the forest with nothing to interpret vibration does not make a sound.
Posted by Abadeebadaba
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:01 am to
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The observation of physics can change physics.


Seems like you just proved it for me. If observation of physics changes it, it would stand to reason that physics is already occuring before it is observed. Do states of matter only exist when we observe them?
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 9:06 am
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:02 am to
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If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there to hear it fall, does it really make a sound?


if a man, alone in the woods, says something and no one is there to hear him, is he still wrong?
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12583 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:03 am to
will this lower the price of crawfish?
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:07 am to
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Seems like you just proved it for me. If observation of physics changes it, it would stand to reason that physics is already occuring before it is observed.

Sure, "it would stand to reason", but can you prove it?
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
30010 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:09 am to
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Seems like you just proved it for me. If observation of physics changes it, it would stand to reason that physics is already occuring before it is observed. Do states of matter only exist when we observe them?



All I proved is that you don't understand that sound is merely the interpretation of vibration.

The vibration exists when nothing is around to interpret it. The sound does not.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
5051 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:11 am to
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Do states of matter only exist when we observe them?

That is quite literally what this entire thread has been about lol.
Posted by Abadeebadaba
FL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:13 am to
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The vibration exists when nothing is around to interpret it. The sound does not.

If a human can't interpret a wave below and above two frequencies (20hz to -20khz) doe s that mean that these "sounds" are not occuring?
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62122 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:18 am to
If I stop observing this website, will some of these idiots cease to exist?
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
5051 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:19 am to
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If a human can't interpret a wave below and above two frequencies (20hz to -20khz) doe s that mean that these "sounds" are not occuring?

You clearly are not understanding this.
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sound is the reception of such waves and their perception by the brain

The waves/vibrations exist. If nothing is there to perceive it, then there is no sound.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25913 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:33 am to
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If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there to hear it fall, does it really make a sound?


This always annoys me. Uhhhh...yeah
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
30010 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:33 am to
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You clearly are not understanding this.


It's alright man. I've never met an abadee who could chew gum and walk at the same time... Much less understand a simple concept.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 9:34 am
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
30010 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:34 am to
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Uhhhh...yeah


Uhhh...no
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:38 am to
Holy shite, mind blown.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:54 am to
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concludes that by observing an action we create it's future

Posted by EventHorizon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
1056 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 10:00 am to
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what an "observation" actually is.


that's the important piece. When the word observation is used, it's really a measurement. The particle is not aware of someone 'watching' it; watching it means it was pelted with a photon/electron and therefore the wave function collapsed and let our subject act as particle instead of a wave.

Imagine a pool table in the dark with an 8 ball on it somewhere. In order to locate it, you roll cue balls across the table until you hear it 'clack' and can figure out where you made contact. However, now you have no idea where the 8 ball is since making contact (measure location) has changed the speed and location of the 8 ball.

Before you made contact with the cue ball, the 8 ball is in a superposition which means its location isn't determined but rather there's a likelihood of finding the 8 ball at any place on the table. Until it clacks, the 8 ball is basically everywhere and nowhere!
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4613 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 10:05 am to
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I want to know, great minds of the OT, what in the frick is going on where we as conscious observers not only dictate the future but also change the past?


This is what happens when science gets too "theoretical" and scientists don't have to have proof for their harebrained theories. Observations at human scale obviously do not affect the past. Also, the speed of light does not preclude time.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51408 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 10:17 am to
Schrödinger's cat?
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62122 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 10:30 am to
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Imagine a pool table in the dark with an 8 ball on it somewhere. In order to locate it, you roll cue balls across the table until you hear it 'clack' and can figure out where you made contact. However, now you have no idea where the 8 ball is since making contact (measure location) has changed the speed and location of the 8 ball.

Before you made contact with the cue ball, the 8 ball is in a superposition which means its location isn't determined but rather there's a likelihood of finding the 8 ball at any place on the table. Until it clacks, the 8 ball is basically everywhere and nowhere!


Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25913 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:28 pm to
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Uhhh...no



You dont know what "sound" is then. Which is incredible.
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