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re: Does anyone know what happens to St. George students who want to stay in EBRSS schools?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:07 am to LSURussian
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:07 am to LSURussian
I have to rely on people much smarter than me to explain the MFP and the allocation algorithm. It factors in the size of the district because of economies of scale, etc. Especially true with special ed services. Then you add in property taxes, legacy costs…
Also, the money will follow the student but that isn’t the whole picture. Not all dollars are the same because of money already spent on services and infrastructure and teacher pay at that specific school.
Also, the money will follow the student but that isn’t the whole picture. Not all dollars are the same because of money already spent on services and infrastructure and teacher pay at that specific school.
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:08 am to doubleb
quote:That's likely why the "bands" were created as mentioned earlier in this thread.
Now students do change schools all the time. 5th graders move to a middle school and 8th graders move to a high school.
The "bands" are grades K-5, 6-8 and 9-12.
St. George students attending EBR schools can stay in their school within those grades. Once fifth and eighth graders pass to the sixth and ninth grades, they will no longer be guaranteed a spot in an EBR school district school.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:11 am to teke184
The last school built in the St. George area was Kenilworth Middle in 1973.
Yea, I’d be pissed too if I were a resident of St. George. Vote yes.
Yea, I’d be pissed too if I were a resident of St. George. Vote yes.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:16 am to doubleb
quote:To me this is the crux of the argument.
The truth is riughly 20% of EBR resides in SG; yet all we have to show for it is 2 elem schools, 2 Middle schools and a high school. There are no public schools in SG south of I 12 and the mall and west of Airline. In short we have to send our children great distances to access the gifted or magnet schools or pay through the nose for private schools which also can be a great distance from home.
St. George is now the 5th largest city in the state with roughly a population of 85-90k. It’s anchored by the 70810 and 70817 zip codes, which are the two wealthiest zip codes in EBR Parish. And yet that area only has 2 elementary schools, two middle schools, and one high school?
If you want to vote no because it goes against your own self interest, I understand. But you can’t deny that the St. George area has been subsidizing the EBRSS and seen little investment for doing so.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:20 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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To me this is the crux of the argument.
Same here.
My neighborhood missed the St. George boundary so I’m still paying for private regardless, but I'm pissed on behalf of St. George residents. It’s really inexcusable and a complete mismanagement of funds. Straight robbery.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:28 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:Are those schools overcrowded or is there a long waiting list to get into those schools such that additional campuses are needed?
And yet that area only has 2 elementary schools, two middle schools, and one high school?
If EBR built new schools in that area would parents there pull their kids out of private schools in such large numbers to populate the new schools?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:38 am to LSURussian
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Are those schools overcrowded or is there a long waiting list to get into those schools such that additional campuses are needed?
If EBR built new schools in that area would parents there pull their kids out of private schools in such large numbers to populate the new schools?
That ship sailed decades ago.
The judge ran the system and only he could approve new schools, districts, etc. He put in a massive bussing system. My kid got on the bus each morning and took a long ride to the designated “gifted program”. He had to leave our neighborhood to get a quality education. His younger brother still got to ride his bike to Shenandoah.
The designated “gifted school” became risky. We sucked it up and put both kids in private school. We never looked back.
The efforts were made to bus our Kidd into BR and to replace their seats in school with inner city kids. No effort was made to build new schools for anyone. White flight was well underway.
What you have today is a result of what happened over thirty years ago.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:45 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
Two things can be true. EBR has not done a good job with the money and kids they have been entrusted with (with last year's realignment plan this is changing for the better). The other perspective is also why would EBR invest in an area where only a small percentage of those kids use the public school?
EBR public schools saw a significant drop in enrollment in the early 1980s when Judge Parker ordered mandated busing in 1981 to comply with federal desegregation orders. Who were the kids that left EBR public schools? Where did they go? Look at the creation dates of many of the private schools in the area. Look at who attends those schools. Magnet schools were created to "attract" those families who left back into the public schools.
The history shows there is a lot more nuance here, but the history is still important.
doubleb - thank you for sharing that and you have personal experience. All I can do is speak to the historical facts. Listening to everyone's story is really important.
EBR public schools saw a significant drop in enrollment in the early 1980s when Judge Parker ordered mandated busing in 1981 to comply with federal desegregation orders. Who were the kids that left EBR public schools? Where did they go? Look at the creation dates of many of the private schools in the area. Look at who attends those schools. Magnet schools were created to "attract" those families who left back into the public schools.
The history shows there is a lot more nuance here, but the history is still important.
doubleb - thank you for sharing that and you have personal experience. All I can do is speak to the historical facts. Listening to everyone's story is really important.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 10:51 am
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:48 am to armytiger96
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Has anyone ever confused Woodlawn with a good school?
I believe you did in an earlier post :
No one who grew up in SE Baton Rouge was shipped to a shitty failing school. They either went to Lee, Woodlawn, Tara, or were in the magnet programs and went to BRHS.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:48 am to TooncesAndOmar
quote:
The history shows there is a lot more nuance here, but the history is still important.
Exactly.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:51 am to TooncesAndOmar
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The other perspective is also why would EBR invest in an area where only a small percentage of those kids use the public school?
Because that area funds 25% of their operating budget.
As it stands today, if every kid living in St. George switched to a St. George school, there would not be enough seats. Meanwhile, the rest of BR is operating at half capacity.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:57 am to LSURussian
quote:Currently no. But that doesn’t mean the demand wouldn’t be there if a fair allocation of resources were provided. It’s also discounting the large number of people who move out of the parish because they can’t afford private school, but want their kids to have a better opportunity
Are those schools overcrowded or is there a long waiting list to get into those schools such that additional campuses are needed?
IMO, that’s like saying the demand for a run down neighborhood is low, so we shouldn’t give it any money, without acknowledging that the demand would be much higher if you actually put the money into the neighborhood to fix it up.
And the money is already there. It isn’t like it had to be found somewhere. Currently that entire area has only 5 schools. Imagine the funding level of those schools if St. George’s public school tax dollars stayed within those schools.
What comes first, the chicken or the egg?
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:00 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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No one who grew up in SE Baton Rouge was shipped to a shitty failing school. They either went to Lee, Woodlawn, Tara, or were in the magnet programs and went to BRHS.
My neighbor had children that attended BRHS, Woodlawn and McKinley HS.
My kid went to Sherwood Middle and others went to McKinley Middle.
Your facts aren’t exactly corrrct.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:03 am to SoggyCerealClub
I hear you, but I don't think your reasoning holds when you apply it here.
Students didn't flee public schools in 1981 because a judge ruled for the schools to turn academically ineffective overnight.
Also, I fully agree with local control of taxes, but how do you define local? In any geographical group there will be those with 'more' funding services for those with 'less.' Nothing is stopping the wealthiest 25% of the current city of St. George from creating their own city in 25 years for 'local' control.
Now how those funds are used, transparency, accountability is another very legitimate discussion to have.
Chicken or the egg is correct. Nuance.
Students didn't flee public schools in 1981 because a judge ruled for the schools to turn academically ineffective overnight.
Also, I fully agree with local control of taxes, but how do you define local? In any geographical group there will be those with 'more' funding services for those with 'less.' Nothing is stopping the wealthiest 25% of the current city of St. George from creating their own city in 25 years for 'local' control.
Now how those funds are used, transparency, accountability is another very legitimate discussion to have.
Chicken or the egg is correct. Nuance.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:05 am to doubleb
quote:
What you have today is a result of what happened over thirty years ago
Yep.
Judge John Parker essentially killed EBR/Baton Rouge and built Ascension and Livingston Parish
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:07 am to TooncesAndOmar
quote:How so.
Nothing is stopping the wealthiest 25% of the current city of St. George from creating their own city in 25 years for 'local' control.
St.George isn’t a city created with a city. It’s a city created from an unincorporated portion of the parish.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:08 am to LSURussian
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that's the case then funding follows the number of students and not the school districts.
In my very much non-expertise on this issue, it seems the common sense thing would be that the parish gets the funds then the parish would allocate and/or create sub-districts within that parish if they so choose or vote on. Then the entire state wouldn’t have to vote on this unless it’s a reallocation of taxes/funds to all parish school districts. And, the said sub-district, like St. George wouldn’t be at the mercy of the entire state on their fate.
Again, just my non-expertise $.02
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:09 am to LSURussian
quote:It does seem like most of funding is per capita based either by student or teacher. There seems to be some increase for high needs/economically disadvantaged, special needs, and some tutoring increases based on poor scores by students. Some workforce and rural additions.
I could be wrong but I've always thought that the MFP allocates funds to school districts based on the number of students enrolled in their district (as of October 1 of the school year).
I am not sure if the minimum is the fully paid amount by the state for every student across the student regardless of local funding, or is what the state guarantees for every student with the actual payment from the state based on what the local funding can’t meet by itself.
State dissing out that amount regardless of local funds wouldn’t have much of an effect with a new district forming out of an old one, and the one with the larger effect would be if any new district can’t fund itself as well as its former whole district could and/or has an out of proportion number of students deemed disadvantaged, special needs, and so on. I don’t think the later fits StG to have negative effects on available state funding on other districts.
For transfers between the district there is the below
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D. In the case of the transfer of any student pursuant to this Section, the adjoining school system shall notify the state Department of Education. The state Department of Education shall adjust the allocation of money through the minimum foundation program formula or any other monies appropriated and allocated among school systems based in any way on the number of students enrolled so as to account for the transfer of the student.
Unless students just start pouring in right at the beginning that isnt matched by existing or increasing local tax revenue I don’t see how a StG district negatively affects any other district outside of the remaining EBRSS losing its cash cow much like the city of BR lost for StG. When I needed to pay attention to Texas’s formula it was more straight forward which helped counter the former Superintendent’s BS while pushing the need for a huge tax increase (which was voted down). My attempts to understand Louisiana’s formula just comes quickly looking after something in these discussions prompts me to try and make sense of it. I haven’t found something I am comfortable using to completely understand Louisiana’s funding formula yet.
Regardless for effects on other districts there is this:
quote:
NOTE: §68.3 eff. upon adoption of a const. amend. which authorizes the St. George Community School System. See Acts 2025, No. 455.
§68.3. Redistribution of Minimum Foundation Program to other school systems
To ensure that the creation of the St. George Community School District does not have a negative impact on the minimum foundation program allocation to school systems, beginning in the fiscal year of July 1, 2027, and continuing for the next four fiscal years, the State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education shall identify the districts in parishes other than East Baton Rouge on which the creation of the St. George Community School System causes a negative impact and determine the amount of the negative impact on the minimum foundation program per pupil allocation. The State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education shall withhold the total of the amounts of the negative impact on all districts in parishes other than East Baton Rouge from the total minimum foundation program allocation to the St. George Community School District and transfer those funds on a per pupil basis to such districts.
Acts 2025, No. 455, §1, eff. See Act.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:09 am to SoggyCerealClub
quote:
As it stands today, if every kid living in St. George switched to a St. George school, there would not be enough seats. Meanwhile, the rest of BR is operating at half capacity.
This is what I was getting at in my earlier post. Hundreds, Ill say thousands of current EBR students will need to find a seat in a StG school. There has to be a transition plan from both sides and why I am so frustrated with lack of plan from StG side who has had 10+ years.
Woodlawn High can not absorb the students over night or even after they band out of their current school. New school(s) will need to be built. Alternative schools will need to be a part of the system.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 11:17 am to AutoYes_Clown
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why I am so frustrated with lack of plan from StG side who has had 10+ years
They don’t have a school board to create a plan. They can have ideas but I don’t believe they can legally create any plans until a school board is in place. It’s the same process Central & Zachary followed
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