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re: DeSantis Admin Wants to Put Golf Courses, Pickleball Courts and More In FL State Parks

Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:50 am to
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21128 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:50 am to
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Something like this would totally frick up a place like Big Lagoon State Park

Wasn't one of the 9 proposed parks. It would frick all off them up, BTW.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98072 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:51 am to
Imagine if we voted in Desantis for the Prez run

Dude would have been crushed
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23326 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:54 am to
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Nah. There is more than enough development everywhere than to push it into state parks.

There are three hotels within 5 miles of Topsail under development or that have opened in the last 12 months.

There is absolutely no need to develop one of the last remaining natural areas on the gulf in Walton County for a lodge or a bunch of paved pickleball courts.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105301 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:08 pm to
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James Gaddis had just returned home Saturday afternoon when he found a dismissal letter waiting on his Tallahassee townhouse’s doorstep.

The former two-year Florida Department of Environmental Protection employee told the Tampa Bay Times he was the one who leaked information about the state’s plans to build golf courses, 350-room hotels, pickleball courts and more at nine state parks, including two in the Tampa Bay area.

Now, the agency appears to be firing him, according to a copy of the letter shared with the Times.

Gaddis, 41, who was hired by the agency as a cartographer, said his actions weren’t political, and that there were two main reasons he chose to speak out: The rushed secrecy that was behind the park plans, and the vast environmental destruction that would be caused if they were to be completed.

“It was the absolute flagrant disregard for the critical, globally imperiled habitat in these parks,” Gaddis said in an interview Monday morning. Gaddis said he was tasked with making the proposed conceptual land use maps that depicted the golf courses and other developments. Two proposals were especially egregious in his eyes: The Jonathan Dickinson State Park golf course, and the 350-room hotel at Anastasia State Park.

“This was going to be a complete bulldozing of all of that habitat,” Gaddis said. He recalls his hand, hovering over a computer mouse, shaking with anger and frustration as he was told to rush his maps from senior leadership. “The secrecy was totally confusing and very frustrating. No state agency should be behaving like this.”
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This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 10:10 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75147 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:01 am to
I tend to agree with him.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46844 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:11 am to
He was fired, started a Gofundme, and has 3 years salary in it so far. He is also making the rounds on the local news, claiming whistleblower status.

Almost $150k
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9548 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:36 am to
A golf course is environmental destruction?

A frikkin useless wind farm is environmental destruction .......as is a solar farm.

Look at the closed wind and solar farms .....no one cleans the mess up ....useless skeletons without purpose .....

Maybe this useless government employee can use his money and start a taco truck.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:51 am to
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golf course is environmental destruction?


I'm not 100% sold on the idea but also not 100% against it. But a good golf course designer (and knowing who is involved) would work within the provisions of the land.. they take pride in doing the least amount of alteration

Again not sure all areas a suitable but some are... The Ryder cup next year is going to be played on a course in a NY state park

Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
16979 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:07 am to
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A golf course is environmental destruction?


It destroys habitat, that's for sure. Also they use a sh*t pile of herbicides and shite. They're making the friggin frogs gay.

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A frikkin useless wind farm is environmental destruction .......as is a solar farm.
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I'm with you there. I want wild places to remain wild, regardless of if it's a solar farm, wind farm, golf course, oil rig, etc going up.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20090 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:37 am to
Some parks are there to protect and enjoy a unique natural environment and some are for entertainment and use by the population. Also, parks never get enough funding to staff and maintain.

That said, as long as they do this on parks meant for recreation and not with historical or environmental significance I don’t have a problem with it.

A lot of people that go to work for the park system are environmental nuts so it’s not surprising that they freak out about the possibility of eliminating a pine forest….thats just like every other pine forest in the south…to build a golf course or resort.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 6:41 am
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21128 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:52 am to
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The Ryder cup next year is going to be played on a course in a NY state park

We have a saying here in Florida...



I assume y'all have a similar saying about Mississippi, like don't 50 up my 49 or some shite.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:10 am to
While I generally agree with you about NY and FL ( which is why I live in NE FL) .. Id take a Bethpage set up in FL in a heartbeat.

I get the sentimental aspect ...like the fuss of tearing down the old Jax Suns stadium. But state parks like Ravines is .worth some modification Not sure if it's on any list but I'm would think that other parks are in the same condition
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
14811 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:27 am to
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News of his firing came as two Democratic state representatives pressed the agency about who was involved in drawing up plans that appeared to include no-bid contracts destined for mysteriously pre-chosen developers outside the requirements of Florida law.


Swamp gonna swamp.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Member since May 2020
12264 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:44 am to
God damnit if the common man wants a place he can play golf at without breaking the bank.

Some of us working class can’t play at fancy private courses which Florida seems to be full of.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21128 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:16 am to
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But state parks like Ravines is .worth some modification Not sure if it's on any list but I'm would think that other parks are in the same condition
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I assume you mean ravine gardens near palatka, not the failed mark mccumber golf course neighborhood in clay county called the ravines there were 9 parks on the list. I think they were all water front, most being ocean front. Not to say ravine gardens couldn't be a nicer park, just not sure pickleball, golf, condos, etc are the right angle to accommodate that. It's also fairly small at ~60 acres.

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like the fuss of tearing down the old Jax Suns stadium.

Lol, there's been more push back over the Lerp sign than there ever was over wolfson park.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
4239 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:24 am to
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am personally opposed to the development of protected wilderness areas, and I hope that this is stopped, or at least amended and revised to heavily strip down the plans.


Is it protected wilderness?

I may have overlooked while reading article, I didn't see this mentioned.
Posted by Hobie101
Member since May 2012
1087 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:21 pm to
Florida is about out of land to develop.
The development battle has been going on for decades in Fla, with developers often winning.

Taking the small amount of preserved nature and developing it is asinine.
If the state wants more public space with golf, etc., buy up private land.

Yes, Florida has one of the greatest parks on the planet, the Everglades, but development to the north has significantly altered it by reducing freshwater flowing south.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9421 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:34 pm to
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Florida is about out of land to develop.
The development battle has been going on for decades in Fla, with developers often winning.

Taking the small amount of preserved nature and developing it is asinine.
If the state wants more public space with golf, etc., buy up private land.


Seems this a lot more about developers who contributed to a political campaign getting their kickbacks from taxpayer money than any kind of long term public interest.

It's so short sighted economically to develop so much of what makes Florida a beautiful tourist location into the places people are trying to escape in going to Florida.

Really, the entire south could use a little more wisdom in re-developing all the run down stretches instead of always google eyeing the last strips of natural beauty.


This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:55 pm to
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assume you mean ravine gardens near palatka,


Yes Ravines in Palatka ( can't call it gardens).

I wasnt insinuating making anything out of it because it is small and fairly worthless to be honest ..but insinuating more along the lines of ..how many parks are in that same category of ...slap a trail sign on it and call it a park ( ...admittedly like Jacksonville has done with any green space that is more than 20x20 ft )

I dont know that 9 are needed but 1..2...possibly three places could be done environmentally complaint and produce a revenue stream like theRTJ effort for the Alabama retirement system

LERP sign..i didn't know there is any fuss about it
other than ... artist can't actually do it and can't afford it if he could but it was the Lynch pin of the winning effort somehow. I did complain about the old stadium though...and the nostalgia but the (not ) new park is so much better. I learned from that, and married into the design architecture world....when you have the right talented people doing what they do best, you can get a far better product than expected. The Nicholas design group (who I think is involved ..know what they are doing)
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9548 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:56 am to
No it doesn't. It protects habitat.

You need to get out more ......Especially in Florida ....

The main problem is idiots pretending to be environmentalists. They are mental all right.

When the Colonists landed in Roanoke the undergrowth in the woods were cut back for miles.This prevented forest fires and provided Habitat for wildlife ....Simply look at California ......Green nuts is the perfect way to describe these idiots ......Fires destroy hundred of miles of supposed "Protected" lands
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