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re: DeSantis Admin Wants to Put Golf Courses, Pickleball Courts and More In FL State Parks
Posted on 8/23/24 at 9:39 pm to MemphisGuy
Posted on 8/23/24 at 9:39 pm to MemphisGuy
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Perhaps, but he's also right.
He's not. It's a retarded idea, regardless of which party presented it.
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Posted on 8/23/24 at 10:00 pm to MoarKilometers
He's not. The dissent seems pretty non partisan to me. I'm not a Desantis hater at all.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 10:17 pm to Funky Tide 8
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He's not. The dissent seems pretty non partisan to me. I'm not a Desantis hater at all.
To attempt to get this back on track (might be too late), if a state park has 10,000 acres, and 300 of those acres get improved to include a lodge and some pickleball and/or golf course, you think that's a bad idea?
3% of the land gets developed, to bring in more people and revenue to the state park system, are you going on record saying that is "retarded"? Moar Kilometers words, not mine.
This post was edited on 8/23/24 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 8/23/24 at 10:21 pm to deeprig9
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and 300 of those acres get improved to include a lodge and some pickleball and/or golf course, you think that's a bad idea?
Yep
Big Ron supporter, but this is a bad idea. Once you allow development here, it won’t be long til every monied interest wants a cut of the pie. I like my natural areas natural. We have enough golf courses and rec facilities as is.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 11:06 pm to deeprig9
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I haven't called anyone names or resorted to flaming in this thread.
Ehhh....you kind of did by making one giant arse (and wrong) assumption about people who oppose this.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 11:07 pm to MemphisGuy
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Perhaps, but he's also right.
Nah. There is more than enough development everywhere than to push it into state parks.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 11:19 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Ehhh....you kind of did by making one giant arse (and wrong) assumption about people who oppose this.
OP put Desantis' name in the topic title.
7 pages later, I reference it.
This thread was partisan from the beginning, by design. I had the discipline to hold off for 7 pages of discussion.
I didn't start the flaming or name calling. Please review the thread, and if you are man enough, amend your position about me starting any name calling or flaming.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 11:52 pm to deeprig9
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OP put Desantis' name in the topic title.
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This thread was partisan from the beginning, by design.
Is the OP somehow incorrect?? Quit being a snowflake dude.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:24 am to deeprig9
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To attempt to get this back on track (might be too late), if a state park has 10,000 acres, and 300 of those acres get improved to include a lodge and some pickleball and/or golf course, you think that's a bad idea?
Let's get the acreage for all 9 parks... to show you only 1 is anywhere close to your retarded delusion.
Hillsborough River- 3383 acres
Honeymoon Island- 385 acres in land area with 2,400 acres submerged
Oleta River- 1043 acres
Jonathan Dickinson- 10,500 acres
Dr. Von D. Mizell-Eula Johnson- 310 acres
Anastasia- 1600 acres
Camp Helen- 180 acres
Topsail Preserve- 1600 acres
Grayton Beach- 2000 acres
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3% of the land gets developed, to bring in more people and revenue to the state park system, are you going on record saying that is "retarded"? Moar Kilometers words, not mine.
They were always your words, you just didn't realize it. That's how being retarded works.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 5:21 am to deeprig9
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what's the big deal?
Desantis bad, didn’t you get the memo?
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:13 am to Jcorye1
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people only freak out because it's Desantis.
People? You mean liberal fruitcakes?
Posted on 8/24/24 at 11:23 am to deeprig9
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OP put Desantis' name in the topic title.
Doesn't change what you said and your intentions behind it, or the fact that you are wrong about it.
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I didn't start the flaming or name calling.
I did. Stop acting like a bitch every time someone calls you dumb.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
This is inevitable. I don't know much about FL or their parks or their government's debt/revenue, but I do know a lot about the Yankee Empire and "their" parks and what might happen with them.
The only reason the Yankees were allowed to borrow money so cheaply for so long was that they owned so much land. Check out just how much wilderness the feds own on a map sometimes. It's pretty mind-blowing.
If you throw out (for argument) the possibility that the Yankees will rapidly devalue their currency, or renege on their debts (which would be similar in practical effect) then the Yankees are going to need money to pay off that debt.
That's where the national parks come in. Any "ownership" the Yankee government has over them, any mandate or ability to preserve them as wilderness, is an illusion. Those parks de facto belong to the people holding the Yankee Empire's debt: foreign governments, investors, and most of all the Social Security Trust Fund.
Those parks belong to ordinary middle-class Americans planning to retire over the next 25 years or so. IOUs were written to our retirement fund.
So the Yankees can disavow their debt, or they can cause hyperinflation (real hyperinflation, not "OMG Taco Bell was $17!" inflation), or they can do the right, moral, legal, ethical thing and sacrifice what they pawned to us: their precious national parks.
They must be drilled on, logged on, and developed. We must see Arab sheiks peeing off their luxury condo balconies into the Grand Canyon.
That is what the Yankee has earned with his wars and hollow promises, and it's high time we acknowledge it.
The only reason the Yankees were allowed to borrow money so cheaply for so long was that they owned so much land. Check out just how much wilderness the feds own on a map sometimes. It's pretty mind-blowing.
If you throw out (for argument) the possibility that the Yankees will rapidly devalue their currency, or renege on their debts (which would be similar in practical effect) then the Yankees are going to need money to pay off that debt.
That's where the national parks come in. Any "ownership" the Yankee government has over them, any mandate or ability to preserve them as wilderness, is an illusion. Those parks de facto belong to the people holding the Yankee Empire's debt: foreign governments, investors, and most of all the Social Security Trust Fund.
Those parks belong to ordinary middle-class Americans planning to retire over the next 25 years or so. IOUs were written to our retirement fund.
So the Yankees can disavow their debt, or they can cause hyperinflation (real hyperinflation, not "OMG Taco Bell was $17!" inflation), or they can do the right, moral, legal, ethical thing and sacrifice what they pawned to us: their precious national parks.
They must be drilled on, logged on, and developed. We must see Arab sheiks peeing off their luxury condo balconies into the Grand Canyon.
That is what the Yankee has earned with his wars and hollow promises, and it's high time we acknowledge it.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:48 pm to MoarKilometers
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Let's get the acreage for all 9 parks... to show you only 1 is anywhere close to your retarded delusion.
Hillsborough River- 3383 acres
Honeymoon Island- 385 acres in land area with 2,400 acres submerged
Oleta River- 1043 acres
Jonathan Dickinson- 10,500 acres
Dr. Von D. Mizell-Eula Johnson- 310 acres
Anastasia- 1600 acres
Camp Helen- 180 acres
Topsail Preserve- 1600 acres
Grayton Beach- 2000 acres
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me what exactly is proposed at each of those sites? Context is key. If you can admit that a lodge, golf course, and pickleball is ok at a 10,000 acre site, I can admit that a lodge, golf course, and pickleball is not ok for a 180 acre site.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:50 pm to Jcorye1
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I guess I'd have to see how it's being done.
yeah, with something like this it's all in the execution.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 4:38 pm to SoFlaGuy
quote:Pickleball and golf are the sports for obese people
Majority of Americans are obese
Posted on 8/24/24 at 5:07 pm to deeprig9
We can start out with just some lodges and a golf course. If that goes well we can add neighborhood and strip mall. I mean, if we are talking say 10,000 acres of pristine forest. Let's say the golf course and lodge take up 200 acres, or 100, I don't know. We can if everything goes well, cut down another 500 acres, put in 1,000 homes. Imagine living in a subdivision in a state park? It would give more people access to it. Then cater to them and build a strip mall, what maybe 100 acres with parking needed?
My 78 y/o father n law has no problems going to 2-3 big state parks a year with mother n law and staying in hotels and cabins nearby outside the park. I'm going to tell him he's a dumbass, no way he can have access without golf course and lodging in the state park
My 78 y/o father n law has no problems going to 2-3 big state parks a year with mother n law and staying in hotels and cabins nearby outside the park. I'm going to tell him he's a dumbass, no way he can have access without golf course and lodging in the state park
Posted on 8/24/24 at 6:47 pm to Mushroom1968
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We can start out with just some lodges and a golf course. If that goes well we can add neighborhood and strip mall. I mean, if we are talking say 10,000 acres of pristine forest. Let's say the golf course and lodge take up 200 acres, or 100, I don't know. We can if everything goes well, cut down another 500 acres, put in 1,000 homes. Imagine living in a subdivision in a state park? It would give more people access to it. Then cater to them and build a strip mall, what maybe 100 acres with parking needed?
My 78 y/o father n law has no problems going to 2-3 big state parks a year with mother n law and staying in hotels and cabins nearby outside the park. I'm going to tell him he's a dumbass, no way he can have access without golf course and lodging in the state park
This is like saying "If we let gays get married, next thing you know we'll have drag queens grooming children to be gay".
Is this your position?
Posted on 8/24/24 at 10:04 pm to deeprig9
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Can you tell me what exactly is proposed at each of those sites? Context is key.
Shouldn't you know, if you're promoting what a fricking swell idea it all is
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If you can admit that a lodge, golf course, and pickleball is ok at a 10,000 acre site, I can admit that a lodge, golf course, and pickleball is not ok for a 180 acre site.
I can admit only 1 of the 9 properties comes anywhere close to the 10k acres you have repeatedly cited, and know enough to say they want lodge, golf course, pickleball, and disc golf on a small 1600 acre island and it's a fricking turrible idea.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 10:35 pm to Funky Tide 8
Anastasia State Part is walking distance from my house. It’s unacceptable to do any development on that parcel of land. There’s nothing left that is unspoiled. It is part of the famous lighthouse as well as Blowhole surfing location which I’ve gone to all of my life.
This is not okay.
This is not okay.
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