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re: Data center fear porn is the new nuclear power fear porn
Posted on 6/25/26 at 6:18 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/25/26 at 6:18 pm to hawgfaninc
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It’s time for everyone to realize that the fight against data centers has nothing to do with data centers.
They have become a proxy for the hate towards AI and the concentration and accumulation of wealth it’s creating.
Until those running the big LLMs understand this and start a community tour, not to explain the benefits of AI, it’s too late for that, but to help towns and cities that may be impacted by job losses (and I’m a believer their will be a net gains in a few years), this battle is only going to get more intense and let me tell you now , no matter how much money you pay to buy politicians and races, you will lose.
One thing I have learned is being hated is not good for business.
How can they help ? They will tell you. You will need to do what they ask. Billions of dollars is a lot of money across towns and city programs. Across the major LLMs, it’s a cost of doing business.
At the same time, I would go to LA and NYC and ask the arts and creative unions what kind of programs would help and protect their artists. DO NOT GO TO THE MUSIC OR FILM COMPANIES. that will make it worse.
Don’t try to pay famous people to endorse what you are doing. That’s dumb.
Talk to artists and ask them what you can do to provide financial and creative support. Every creative I know is TERRIFIED about what AI will do to their profession. You must meet them face to face and basically do what they say.
The big LLMs have lost the PR battle. Why ? Because they all suck at putting people first. They have an SV attitude that makes them all think they are John Galt saving the
world
Given the number of data centers and power that is needed, today and going forward , If you don’t kiss the asses of the people that go to work every day, and are just trying to pay their bills, you will fall far far short of the capacity you need to make your business work.
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Posted on 6/25/26 at 6:20 pm to Btrtigerfan
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He’s a first class moron and it’s not an act or a shtick
I've had words with him a few times and he can barely speak English and it's his first language. I don't know enough about the data center stuff to have strong opinions on it but think his bs is hilarious.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 9:33 pm to CocomoLSU
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What I don't understand though, is why these data centers can't simply build their own power plants (or supplemental power sources
Because it’s much cheaper to pay some politicians and bureaucrats to force the public to pay for it
Posted on 6/25/26 at 9:41 pm to hawgfaninc
Cuban is bloviating bullshite. That has nothing to do with anything and is just diversionary crap for the masses.
It is dead simple, there are 2 outcomes coming:
AI self aware = much death and torture to humans
AI not self aware = still taking all jobs, either total socialism authoritarian society with much death or rebellion against such and also much death.
Folks, go have fun. It will not get better. Enjoy yourself now.
It is dead simple, there are 2 outcomes coming:
AI self aware = much death and torture to humans
AI not self aware = still taking all jobs, either total socialism authoritarian society with much death or rebellion against such and also much death.
Folks, go have fun. It will not get better. Enjoy yourself now.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 9:52 pm to TideSaint
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Where are those new mini nuclear reactors we heard about last year?
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When the individuals that are most knowledgeable about what is coming and what we know may be possible(let’s not address what can’t be fathomed) are having strong opinions about building data centers outside our atmosphere, colonizing other planets, and so on…..we should probably take that seriously.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 10:07 pm to CocomoLSU
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Like the one approved for Corpus Christi, TX. That place is in a pretty severe water crisis, so a data center there could actually be pretty bad (at least potentially).
Not to worry, our lake level went up 18% from recent rain. We are fine! Kidding aside, all the rain did was make our decision makers think we can postpone any form of desal and push forward with data centers.
I hate how these things are being pushed when the community has no input on something that produces noise and light pollution that would otherwise come with legal consequences.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 10:20 pm to TexasTiger08
Here comes the ole switcheroo
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EL CENTRO — A brewing conflict over water resources has boiled over in the Imperial Valley, highlighting the escalating tension between the artificial intelligence data center boom and the preservation of the American West’s most vital natural resource: the Colorado River.
Reports surfaced this week that a private developer attempting to construct a massive data center campus near the City of Imperial has filed a lawsuit seeking to secure 260 million gallons of Colorado River water annually. The legal action represents a stark reversal for the project, as the developer had previously stated that the facility would not require Colorado River water to operate.
Public County records and Imperial Irrigation District (IID) documents identify the proposed development as an approximately 950,000-square-foot data center campus designed to pull up to 330 megawatts of power. Planned for a 74-acre site at the southeast corner of Aten and Clark roads, the project also features an emergency backup generator building and an 862-megawatt-hour energy storage system. Because the site sits within unincorporated county territory, the City of Imperial lacks permitting authority, though city officials have actively encouraged residents to voice their feedback to the county.
The developer’s abrupt pivot to claim river water has drawn intense scrutiny toward local water management and fueled an aggressive pushback from elected leaders and environmental advocates alike.
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Posted on 6/25/26 at 10:34 pm to Jim Rockford
Data Centers are more efficient when they use evaporation for cooling. Open systems. Open systems need more water but if you build them along say the MS River you basically have an unlimited supply of fresh water. The evaporation falls back to earth in the form of rain.
Putting one in Corpus Christi or most places in Texas is not very smart. LA has unlimited fresh water and in the long run the MS River will make LA very wealthy..
Putting one in Corpus Christi or most places in Texas is not very smart. LA has unlimited fresh water and in the long run the MS River will make LA very wealthy..
Posted on 6/26/26 at 12:36 am to dovehunter
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Putting one in Corpus Christi or most places in Texas is not very smart. LA has unlimited fresh water and in the long run the MS River will make LA very wealthy..
The water concern is overblown like a mofo. Industry uses a LOT of water. In Pineville area the used to be an ammonia plant and a paper mill both long gone The Red River is right there.
A paper mill uses more water than a data center. Approximately 17,000 gals per ton of paper. Georgia Gulf once used 37 million gals per day for steam, cooling and of course to make white liquor for the paper process. However their tonnage is way down since they no longer make printer paper, just tissue paper. There are several large paper mills which have shutdown in LA over the last 20 years. Nothing has replaced their water usage.
The retard horders during covid caused paper mills producing tissue to increase capacity to 800% for 2020. Of course, extensive maintenance was required the following year. These are probably the same retards worried about water shortages.
200 million gallons per day is pumped by the Sabine River authority to the chemical plants and refineries in Westlake and Carlyss LA. That is to supplement wells in various chemical plants and refineries. The final stretch is a culvert type setup underground on the south side of I-10. On the Texas side 180 million gallons per day is pumped to a pulp mill, a paper mill, a steel mill, chemical plants and municipal water systems in Orange County and part of Newton County.
I wonder how much water is used per acre of rice because only farmer have ever cared.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 7:44 am to CitizenK
quote:water usage is absolutely a concern but it's not the data centers use of water that's the concern, it's the 10 power plants that are required to run the data center.
The water concern is overblown like a mofo. Industry uses a LOT of water. In Pineville area the used to be an ammonia plant and a paper mill both long gone The Red River is right there. A paper mill uses more water than a data center. Approximately 17,000 gals per ton of paper. Georgia Gulf once used 37 million gals per day for steam, cooling and of course to make white liquor for the paper process.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 8:22 am to dovehunter
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will make LA very wealthy
Posted on 6/26/26 at 8:28 am to hawgfaninc
Drinking water is for drinking
Posted on 6/26/26 at 8:50 am to CitizenK
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The water concern is overblown like a mofo. Industry uses a LOT of water. In Pineville area the used to be an ammonia plant and a paper mill both long gone The Red River is right there.
A paper mill uses more water than a data center. Approximately 17,000 gals per ton of paper. Georgia Gulf once used 37 million gals per day for steam, cooling and of course to make white liquor for the paper process. However their tonnage is way down since they no longer make printer paper, just tissue paper. There are several large paper mills which have shutdown in LA over the last 20 years. Nothing has replaced their water usage.
200 million gallons per day is pumped by the Sabine River authority to the chemical plants and refineries in Westlake and Carlyss LA. That is to supplement wells in various chemical plants and refineries.
True but those facilities mentioned use surface water for a majority of their cooling water. They also have extensive regulations related to their intake structures that require specific efficiencies and design to reduce the impact to aquatic life (plus requirements for impingement and entrainment studies). Every data center and proposed power plant in Louisiana that I've heard about (except for one of the Amazon Shreveport facilities potentially getting water from Caddo Lake) will be using ground water or municipal water. This goes for the new power plants as well.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 8:51 am to hawgfaninc
It’s working quite well as evidenced by the total misinformation and absolute uninformed dumbassery being so confidently displayed in this very thread.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:16 am to crewdepoo
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water usage is absolutely a concern but it's not the data centers use of water that's the concern, it's the 10 power plants that are required to run the data center.
Now do rice farms and we have a lot less than 40 years ago.
Over 300 billion gallons a year for rice
We have more water in LA than we can use
Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:21 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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extensive regulations related to their intake structures that require specific efficiencies and design to reduce the impact to aquatic life
Plants along the Mississippi do use water from aquifers, it's not all from the river. USACE has limiting additional pipes crossing and/or going through the levees for the last 20 years. Dow was certainly denied this at Taft.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 10:31 am to CitizenK
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We have more water in LA than we can use
The Baton rouge aquifer is experiencing salt water intrusion due to our over pumping (majority industrial). It's not a volume issue, it's where they're pulling it through. The ai data center being pushing in east feleciana could require 10 additional power plants in the area.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:17 am to CitizenK
Some context for you folks who are slurping up commie the pooh's media campaign:
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