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re: "Community leaders" re-igniting efforts to redevelop north Baton Rouge: article deep dive
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:41 am to Jones
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:41 am to Jones
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Until the inhabitants of NBR change their ways, no one with money is going to care to throw it away there
That's the thing. No one in that area cares. When I go outside, and I see trash on the street, I pick it up so my neighborhood stays clean. The people of North BR see that as an invitation to throw more trash on the street. It's sickening how people can just let their surroundings become filth
This can't be stressed enough. A city or a region or a state is what the people make it. You could pour millions into an area but here's the thing- the majority of people in north/downtown Baton Rouge simply do not care about revitalizing anything.
ETA:
I live in Spokane, Washington. Every Spring when the snow melts our community organizes "trash walks". We go out and pick up the random garbage that has been buried in the snow all winter because we care what our community looks like. Then we rake the running/biking trails and repaint neighborhood signs and crosswalks.
We don't need a $20M tax and a planning commission and seven "Executive Directors of Urban Renewal" to hold endless meetings and fund expensive studies at taxpayer expense. We just do the things needed to make our region better without being ordered to do it or demand someone else do it.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 10:49 am
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:19 am to member12
Why on God's green earth would you hand over millions to the same local "community leaders" who have not been able to get a grass roots effort for any economic change prior to this funding being approved? Where was the plan when the tax was being discussed? Why wouldn't you hire/use proven leadership that has already been successful in turning around an area just like North Baton Rouge? So far this seems like a big money grab and the funding will only pay for executive salaries and "studies" without doing anything concrete or viable. Where is the public "buy in"? Did the "community" ever offer up what they would be willing to do or support prior to funding levied through taxes? The community has to WANT to be improved for anything to take hold and last. Have an of the property owners come to the table and said what it important for them going forward? Or, are there just slum lords in the area and no viable ownership to reinvest in the community? There are so many obstacles to overcome in North Baton Rouge regarding economic development but most important is the attitude and commitment of the property owners currently living/working there. Setting up some local administration with no actual plan after three years and countless studies with no community "buy in" is a sure recipe for failure. This just seems like another tax and spend situation where the local community leaders line their pockets while nothing concrete is accomplished.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:40 am to member12
Gravy calling out Broome! 
Like Andy Dick calling Tom Sizemore a washed up junkie.
I long for the day when the right PC person comes along and just throws their shite in the street and washes everyone's hands of it all.
Like Andy Dick calling Tom Sizemore a washed up junkie.
I long for the day when the right PC person comes along and just throws their shite in the street and washes everyone's hands of it all.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:46 am to member12
Community leaders and politicians finna get paid. Hopefully they end up in prison.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:53 am to Dead End
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Community leaders and politicians finna get paid. Hopefully they end up in prison.
I'm predicting at least 3 people get indicted during this fiasco.
1. No one will actually be prosecuted
2. Gravy and minions will be outraged because white people been doing it.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:57 am to upgrayedd
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I'm predicting at least 3 people get indicted during this fiasco.
1. No one will actually be prosecuted
2. Gravy and minions will be outraged because white people been doing it.
Seems like a safe bet.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:58 am to upgrayedd
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I'm predicting at least 3 people get indicted during this fiasco.
1. No one will actually be prosecuted
2. Gravy and minions will be outraged because white people been doing it.
See Chris Williams in Lafayette.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:59 am to member12
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They are apparently going to do nothing.
But this is what I would do:
1. Improve the hardscape, pavement, lighting, signage, and lighting in the area that's actually functional (around Tony's Seafood and the Delmont Village area along with key intersection (Evangeline, Hollywood, Choctaw, and Mohican St.)
2. Overlay zoning district for Plank Road to update requirements for aesthetics, parking, and facades
3. Offer TIF for commercial/retail business along Plank to improve their buildings/parking areas to fit the new overlay zoning requirements (or for new businesses to invest there).
See if that shows any improvement for 5-6 years. If it does, expand the TIF and focus farther up and down Plank. If it doesn't, pull the plug. The targeted focus area has to be very narrow at first, then expand outward.
Plank is an ideal point of focus because of the relatively few number of big apartment complexes in the area. If it improves, it would be ideal for smaller investors to buy and rehabilitate the smaller rental homes in the area. There's also a legit regional anchor (Tony's Seafood) that's been in business there for decades.
These aren't bad ideas, but until the people that live/work in that area change, then the city is just pouring money down a drain.
The city leaders don't want to say it, but the people are the problem, not the buildings. They need to be pushed off of welfare and into the full-time workforce so they began investing in their future and begin to care about raising a family in a decent neighborhood.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:59 am to Techdog89
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Why on God's green earth would you hand over millions to the same local "community leaders" who have not been able to get a grass roots effort for any economic change prior to this funding being approved?
Because it’s their turn,
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:03 pm to Techdog89
Nothing will ever change as accountability is a foreign concept
It is why I always laugh at the “we need to fix the schools” threads. Good fricking luck
It is why I always laugh at the “we need to fix the schools” threads. Good fricking luck
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:10 pm to ragincajun03
The Southern band director got busted soliciting kickbacks for the band to make appearances and I don't think anything happened to criminally. Hell, all the students protested him being fired
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:16 pm to upgrayedd
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Joy Christina Green My city looks like an old photo, trapped in a Time Warp, crippled by outdated policies and decades of oppression. It is time for a change. I will never understand how we all pay taxes but only one side of town has reaped the benefits of it
What exactly does south BR get that north doesnt get from the govt?
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:16 pm to ClientNumber9
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This can't be stressed enough. A city or a region or a state is what the people make it. You could pour millions into an area but here's the thing- the majority of people in north/downtown Baton Rouge simply do not care about revitalizing anything.
ETA:
I live in Spokane, Washington. Every Spring when the snow melts our community organizes "trash walks". We go out and pick up the random garbage that has been buried in the snow all winter because we care what our community looks like. Then we rake the running/biking trails and repaint neighborhood signs and crosswalks.
We don't need a $20M tax and a planning commission and seven "Executive Directors of Urban Renewal" to hold endless meetings and fund expensive studies at taxpayer expense. We just do the things needed to make our region better without being ordered to do it or demand someone else do it.
There’s actually an academic term for it: mimetic isomorphism. You can copy policy and structure from another city, region, or country, but you can’t copy the culture in which that policy or organization was conceived. Its why NHS-style healthcare systems suck when instituted in a lot of countries - you can’t import British culture with it.
American conservatives probably place a little too much importance on culture vis a vis policy when assessing problems, but American liberals definitely place way too much importance on policy over culture. Culture is extraordinarily important and gets overlooked a lot on the macro level.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:29 pm to DumpTruckerson
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The community's themselves have to want to change, and need a leader showing a good work ethic is a start. I'm not sure we'll see that kind of change anytime soon though.
Exactly. No one is going to put their shite on the line in nbr. First off, good luck finding employees worth a shite. And even if you do, you'll be out of business from constant theft.
It's the people. Plain and simple.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:41 pm to dgnx6
The issue is that SBR development and business investments are typically made based on economics. NBR investment within this program is based on heavily govt subsidized investment that basically takes most of the risk out these investments. If they fail, then there's no reason for these businesses to care or to attempt to reinvest.
You see people bitching about grocery stores in NBR being non existent or poor quality but they insist that it's an area that's ripe for investment. If it's such an investment rich environment, then why do they demand the govt facilitate the investment? Also, installing new facilities is a band aid over the main problem. It's like saying you'll start cutting your grass every week instead of once a month if you could only get a new house.
You see people bitching about grocery stores in NBR being non existent or poor quality but they insist that it's an area that's ripe for investment. If it's such an investment rich environment, then why do they demand the govt facilitate the investment? Also, installing new facilities is a band aid over the main problem. It's like saying you'll start cutting your grass every week instead of once a month if you could only get a new house.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:43 pm to dgnx6
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Exactly. No one is going to put their shite on the line in nbr.
Which is why they have to have the govt guarantee all the risk out of the investment because no businesses would ever take such a poor risk.
If/when it fails, the big businesses that back out due to failure will be demonized as greedy/racist
Posted on 5/6/19 at 1:33 pm to member12
This program will be of great benefit to those who steal the money.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 1:43 pm to BurningHeart
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The city leaders don't want to say it, but the people are the problem, not the buildings.
This. The environment needs to improve just enough for individual investors to buy out some rental properties and renovate them. This would drive up the average rents in the area and price some people out, but it will also displace a lot of the trouble makers.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 1:46 pm to rowbear1922
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I see they wasted no time in installing the burglar bars on the front door
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