re: Chart of Texas electricity generation 2/4/21-2/17/21 by source

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Teke184

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Incorrect. Wind and solars momentary low/zero prod had not a single thing to do with midstream systems freezing, cooling systems failing, etc. if anything working overtime pushed off the inevitable freezing longer than if they had been idle or mid load. Increased load means more heat and last time I checked, that’s good for freeze prevention.

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Then you are dense.

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Then explain it to me like I'm dense. On February 8th, the high temp in Austin, Texas was 75. It's been widely reported the major problem with the turbines was the cold weather freezing them. Was there some other event on 2/8 that caused them to fail?

The problem with the chart is it is missing context for that week between 2/8 and 2/15. Is it possible the power companies made a decision to ramp up natural gas production in anticipation of the forecasted cold weather because it's cheaper and more efficient than wind and solar? I don't know, but that seems more logical than the wind and solar segments completely failing on a day when central Texas was well into the 70's. It also seems more logical the wind and solar would fail on the day the extreme cold weather engulfed the state. The same day natural gas and coal production plummeted.

But I'm open to hearing your theory.

Wind turbines were the main problem, plain and simple.

They failed by 20,000 megawatts.

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whats holding back nuclear adoption?

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Why did it drop? Impacts to water supply necessary for it to cool the reactor.

Why is it not a bigger piece of the pie? Liberal bullshite concerns on where to store waste

Be sure to ignore this:

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Officials for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages most of Texas’ grid, said the primary cause of the outages Tuesday appeared to be the state’s natural gas providers. Many are not designed to withstand such low temperatures on equipment or during production.

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By some estimates, nearly half of the state’s natural gas production has screeched to a halt due to the extremely low temperatures, while freezing components at natural gas-fired power plants have forced some operators to shut down.

“Texas is a gas state,” said Michael Webber, an energy resources professor at the University of Texas at Austin. While he said all of Texas’ energy sources share blame for the power crisis — at least one nuclear power plant has partially shut down, most notably — the natural gas industry is producing significantly less power than normal.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, here we have it! A sighting of the extremely rare poster with a BRAIN!!!!

BRAVO, sir.

ETA: has anyone posted the current DNV guide to design of Offshore Wind Turbines for icing events:

DNV-GL

BLUF: The turbines affected in South Texas are not in a zone that would normally be winterized. If the local authority wants them winterized, they should say so, and pass the costs on to the rate payers.

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Nice to see some people on here making sense.

That's great report. I exclusively use DNVGL for my IE needs. I have similar ones for wind and solar but they can't be released. They do a really good job of jumping into this very deeply as long as the sponsor will play ball with them.

The point about wind deicing is a good one. Does it make financial sense? Most likely not but people will be looking into it more and maybe reworking the math. Deicing companies might be a bigger thing. Similarly are heated or deicing for solar a thing? Maybe because the modules perform better in cold weather if you can keep the snow off. Or maybe its just a dude with a leaf blower riding a SxS through the array (don't laugh I told someone to do this yesterday and it worked).

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whats holding back nuclear adoption?

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Environmentalists

We had the opportunity in the 1970's to go that direction.

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This.

People on this board as well as various politicians are looking a 5 different power generation sources that all failed spectacularly in a time of need, but politics apparently dictate which of the 5 are to blame and should be thrown in the trash heap.

The solar and wind system failed mightily during this event. And where were the legacy generation systems to pick up the slack? Turns out they were also shitting the bed.

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yeah i mean outlier events happen and frick shite up

why didn't NYC enact more regulatory codes to combat the effect of hurricanes after Sandy? because they won't face outlier event like that for another few decades and it would be completely inefficient to "hurricane proof" NYC due to that

also, the argument of "lol Texas" would make a lot more sense if other states didn't have their own shitshows to deal with (typed from a home without water currently, caused do to forced rolling blackouts)

the question is what are some reasonable, non costly areas to upgrade now that we see this shitshow?

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right, but its finite so it makes sense to think alternatively but wind/solar are just not it

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Soooooo stupid!