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re: Body Cam footage of Atlanta police shooting released.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:09 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:09 am to Lester Earl
So what he is used the taser on the other cop? He literally just stole a taser from one cop. You don’t think if he got the other cop on the ground with the taser, he wouldn’t then take that officers gun? Because his actions are showing he would.
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:09 am to Lester Earl
quote:You forgot to add That he used that weapon. And yes, that requires deadly force. Because the cop cannot assume he will continue to flee once he has engaged. You cannot allow yourself to become incapacitated. He has his gun on him and if he is incapacitated, it becomes available to the perp. This has happened before, Lester. Running away means nothing if he’s engaging.
Running away with a non-deadly(inaccurate/unreliable) weapon doesn't exactly call for deadly force.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:09 am to Lester Earl
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Running away with a non-deadly(inaccurate/unreliable) weapon doesn't exactly call for deadly force.
In a vacuum, you're probably right
But from a reasonable cop standard, who was just violently attacked by a guy and who sees a taser pointed at him, my condemnation has limits.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:11 am to Lester Earl
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Eh. He wasn’t a public threat
Wtf? Did you not see him disarm a law enforcement officer and attempt to use that weapon against him? In your mind is he not a public threat because he limited his violent actions to a police officer?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
quote:So, once again, you think an enraged intoxicated man who has fought police and stolen a weapon should be allowed to flee and roam the streets?
Running away with a non-deadly(inaccurate/unreliable) weapon doesn't exactly call for deadly force.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:13 am to Lester Earl
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Running away with a non-deadly(inaccurate/unreliable) weapon doesn't exactly call for deadly force.
Being drunk and/or on drugs, violent, and unhinged, assaulting two officers, and running away with a potentially deadly weapon into an area where innocent bystanders have gathered, then pointing that weapon at the officers in an effort to evade arrest, will 100% of time result in the use of deadly force.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:14 am to LegendInMyMind
quote:He had a taser, not a Hi-Point
Running away with a non-deadly(inaccurate/unreliable) weapon
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:14 am to lsupride87
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So, once again, you think an enraged intoxicated man who has fought police and stolen a weapon should be allowed to flee and roam the streets?
Yes....
These people are literally ushering in an Era that will be reminiscent of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:14 am to LegendInMyMind
Our future might just be what we saw in Demolition Man with Sylvester Stallone.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 11:31 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:15 am to lsupride87
This is a great summary of the event with a short video breakdown of the actions of the jerk. This was posted in the initial thread the other day about the shooting.
The Officer Tatum
The Officer Tatum
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:15 am to ell_13
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How so? What did he do that was wrong?
Chasing the perp creates a situation where it is your deadly sidearm vs a non lethal taser, that only becomes a 'lethal' threat as you close in on him.
Call for backup, check your partner that just got his taser pulled right from his hand (lol), regroup, get back in your car and then search for him.
A then face to face confrontation becomes more orderly, less impulsive & spontaneous (for both parties). If deadly force is then warranted, so be it.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:15 am to Tiger Prawn
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He had a taser, not a Hi-Point
Underrated post, for sure.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:17 am to Lester Earl
quote:
check your partner that just got his taser pulled right from his hand (lol)
WTF?
I'm sure the guy who pulled the taser is lol'ing too
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:18 am to Lester Earl
quote:
hasing the perp creates a situation where it is your deadly sidearm vs a non lethal taser, that only becomes a 'lethal' threat as you close in on him.
Call for backup, check your partner that just got his taser pulled right from his hand (lol), regroup, get back in your car and then search for him.
So let him go and not worry about him carjacking someone, or breaking into someone's house to hide?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:19 am to Lonnie Utah
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Ok, but it's my understanding the unless a person has an underlying health condition the effects of the taser are temporary at worst. It causes involuntary total body muscle contractions that incapacitate the victim. While painful, they aren't long lasting or serious (and yes I've ridden the lighting before...) So was the officer really facing serious bodily injury? Isn't that the whole point of the taser?
Safe if used by a properly trained professional. Those muscle contractions you reference could lead to serious bodily injury if the armed officer suddenly falls as a result. Those metal prongs could hit the officer in the eye, face, or neck.
So Yes. All of those are examples of serious bodily injury that an officer should not be expected to just accept as a consequence of being disarmed by an inebriated criminal with violent intentions.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:20 am to oogabooga68
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Wanna know how I know you're a fat, lazy, cowardly person who spends his entire life on the Internet and who has never been in a real fight in his life?
I would assuredly knock the taste right out of your mouth boy
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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So let him go and not worry about him carjacking someone, or breaking into someone's house to hide?
His unit was 30’ away. Drunk guy is not getting far
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:21 am to ShaneTheMaster
Van Damme
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:23 am to Lester Earl
quote:You can’t let him just run away with your weapon.
Chasing the perp
quote:
Call for backup, check your partner that just got his taser pulled right from his hand (lol), regroup, get back in your car and then search for him.
None of this is protocol. And for good reason. You don’t need to search for someone you can see. Chances of finding him drop exponentially. quote:You mean like the 45 minutes prior to him becoming impulsive and spontaneous the first time? Jesus, Lester.
A then face to face confrontation becomes more orderly, less impulsive & spontaneous (for both parties).
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:23 am to Lester Earl
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As he was running away.
Do we get to commit violent acts against each other as long as we are moving away from our target?
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