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re: Are tests like the SAT and ACT racist?

Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:44 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:44 pm to
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But I agree that, in general, blacks/minorities have less access the same educational rich environments that whites have.

Such bullshite.
Posted by Harry Morgan
Member since Sep 2019
10340 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:46 pm to
“Educational Equality”.

“I don’t want to be accountable for anything. I want whitey to give me everything,”
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12807 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:11 pm to
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I’m not claiming to understand the logic with the above statement. It doesn’t make sense to me at all.


You don’t see how a test applied across millions of takers could have questions that have skewed results based on gender, economic status, regional origins, urban vs rural upbringing or, yes, race?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:22 pm to
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You don’t see how a test applied across millions of takers could have questions that have skewed results based on gender, economic status, regional origins, urban vs rural upbringing or, yes, race?



Yeah but that really isn’t the fault of a standardized test. They provide an objective metric, something which is a pretty valuable component of analyzing the level of knowledge gained from pre-collegiate studies as well as general problem solving.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37494 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:38 pm to
Well, the scientific method is part of white culture. As is objective rational linear thinking. So I’m gonna go with yes, anything that can be measured in an objective manner is racist.
Posted by Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Between Your Ears
Member since Aug 2005
3945 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:41 pm to
I don't get it. You here these stories about people scoring a 33-36 and people are are impressed. My son has taken it twice and has a 40; when he takes again we are hoping he gets to a 61. We are hoping after 4 tries he has a B.

If these kids are worried about their score just take it multiple times and your score should improve.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
21620 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 10:25 pm to
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the fault of a standardized test


I will say that in today’s world, some students do not have the money to take all of the test prep courses offered.

The “test” has sort of taken on a life of its own.

I teach medical students. After sessions, their questions are basically, “what’s going to be on the test?”

Of course, this is because residency programs use the “test” to sort them.

The test prep industry has really grown. I had heard of Kaplan when I took the MCAT, but I most of us did not take the course.

Now I think everyone who has the money takes all prep courses.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 10:31 pm to
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But I agree that, in general, blacks/minorities have less access the same educational rich environments that whites have.


Controlling for socioeconomic status doesn’t change the outcomes.

Do your research before you pop off some bullshite
Posted by adavis
North of I-10
Member since Aug 2007
5978 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 10:52 pm to
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Just asking. Because that’s being pushed right now.


They've been pushing this narrative for a while now. It's not just for the SAT and ACT, but ALL standardized testing. It's always been complete bs and still is.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 10:53 pm to
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Are tests like the SAT and ACT racist?


Sure. Why not. Who gives a frick.
Posted by adavis
North of I-10
Member since Aug 2007
5978 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 10:56 pm to
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I can kind of see their point. But still, most universities hide behind the “SAT/ACT are just one of many factors in our enrollment decisions”.


LIES. Universities throw money at minorities and beg them to come. The SAT/ACT requirements are much lower for black people (for the purpose of filling quotas).

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But I agree that, in general, blacks/minorities have less access the same educational rich environments that whites have.


BIG LIES. Blacks/minorities don't have access to PARENTS like rich environments and whites have.
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:06 pm to
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I don't get it. You here these stories about people scoring a 33-36 and people are are impressed. My son has taken it twice and has a 40; when he takes again we are hoping he gets to a 61. We are hoping after 4 tries he has a B.


You’re confusing the ACT with an IQ test
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:09 pm to
Ah, anyone take advanced statistics plus psychometrics/tests&measures? There’s some fabulous data out there.

In a nutshell: Socioeconomically biased and that could be perceived as racist. The caveat is the tests are validated with ‘success in college’, not ‘success in life or your environment’.

To exemplify the disparity, all tests have to ask is how much does a pound of chitlins cost? Poor people know this and rich people don’t.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24880 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:17 pm to
You don't need prep courses for the ACT

I took a Kaplan prep course for the MCAT but sure as hell wasn't worth the ridiculous amount of money. Half their advice is to highlight important terms and write down the main idea. The 3rd party practice material and books are great. Courses are not worth the price. Free content like Khan Academy is there.

Problem is these prep courses advertise ridiculous shite like "Guaranteed 95th percentile score with 6 weeks of this course".
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:18 pm to
It would appear that blacks have basically completely given up on any hope of every actually achieving.

NOW

Their entire position is, "if it's something we do worse at, it's racist"
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:21 pm to
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You don’t see how a test applied across millions of takers could have questions that have skewed results based on gender, economic status, regional origins, urban vs rural upbringing or, yes, race?



Blacks, on both the SAT and ACT, do worse in the VERBAL/English sections..........than FIRST GENERATION IMMIGRANTS FROM MEXICO

Let that sink in

It ain't the fricking test.
Posted by Batman Chalupa
Member since Feb 2020
387 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:28 pm to
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Why are IQ tests not widespread anymore?


Because blacks score incredibly low. Therefore IQ test are racist. Like borderline remedial as a group. I think Indians (feather) score just as bad if I remember correctly.
Posted by HighDesert43
SE Idaho
Member since Apr 2020
190 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:58 pm to
Yes. Next question?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91808 posts
Posted on 7/17/20 at 12:20 am to
Its just a fact that kids in 2 parent households test better.

So....


But the valedictorian form my HS got a perfect score on his SAT. Edward Kim. Korean.
This post was edited on 7/17/20 at 12:22 am
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91808 posts
Posted on 7/17/20 at 12:25 am to
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LIES. Universities throw money at minorities and beg them to come. The SAT/ACT requirements are much lower for black people (for the purpose of filling quotas).


This is true. Thomas Sowell thinks it is actually hurting Black Americans. A black male scores in the 75th percentile and gets into columbia.The rest of the students scored in the 99th to get in. That black male would be top of his classes at other schools, but struggle to keep up at columbia because he should never have been there. Black male sees himself as failure, when hes really not.
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