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Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:00 pm to volod
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:06 pm to YungFO
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Fox news tell you that?
1) What sort of fricking idiot cannot see evidence of it everywhere?
2) WHat poster on a fricking POLITICAL board is unfamiliar with the transformation Fox is undergoing?
always ONE fricking outlet leftists whine about because your message is so shitty that you cannot take 100% lockstep reporting
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:09 pm to volod
The reality is that a ton of management/middle management type jobs in corporate America are justified in existence almost entirely by virtue of having meetings and beating subjects to death in paper shuffling, conference calls and the like. It reaches almost federal government levels of inefficiency with very little value add.
With COVID shutting down those things...
With COVID shutting down those things...
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:13 pm to volod
I'm half expecting some companies, especially corps to start thinking that if a job can be adequately done from an employee's home, then it can be done from India.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:15 pm to volod
The middle class will always be the hardest hit in any situation. Higher taxes, but always working.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:17 pm to gthog61
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WHat poster on a fricking POLITICAL board is unfamiliar with the transformation Fox is undergoing?
Wrong board
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:21 pm to liz18lsu
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An entire educated job force
that's debatable. they may hold degrees. They aren't necessarily educated.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:21 pm to Pettifogger
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The reality is that a ton of management/middle management type jobs in corporate America are justified in existence almost entirely by virtue of having meetings and beating subjects to death in paper shuffling, conference calls and the like.
I can't speak to exactly how prevalent they are, but I agree this shutdown is definitely going to be a reckoning for a lot of people in redundant/inefficient positions.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:22 pm to Pettifogger
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The reality is that a ton of management/middle management type jobs in corporate America are justified in existence almost entirely by virtue of having meetings and beating subjects to death in paper shuffling, conference calls and the like. It reaches almost federal government levels of inefficiency with very little value add.
Preach brother. This is totally true with any extremely large corporation. I used to think this was just a problem with state and federal agencies but I see it a lot with very large private sector corporations too now.
I think once an agency or corp gets above a certain size the huge management chains and bureaucracy takes over. At smaller firms everyone actually works. The larger ones are bloated with do nothing management PMP types that live for Microsoft Teams, Meeting Memos and that type of crap.
Covid is exposing middle management for what it is: expendable.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:23 pm to TH03
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Something no one is doing.
You didnt see AOC?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:23 pm to Slagathor
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redundant/inefficient positions.
Not disagreeing with you, but what are some examples?
People said this about outside sales roles years ago yet so many companies backbone is a good sales team. Maybe more inside type manager jobs? Seems like sales will always be there when a product needs to be scaled.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:26 pm to Slagathor
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I can't speak to exactly how prevalent they are, but I agree this shutdown is definitely going to be a reckoning for a lot of people in redundant/inefficient positions.
One of the reasons I've pushed back on being placed into a management position is that I hate sitting in meetings all day.
It will probably put a ceiling on my upward mobility but I'd rather make what I make now for the rest of my career (adjusting for inflation) than to be miserable at work.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:39 pm to Paul Allen
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Not disagreeing with you, but what are some examples?
offhand I can't think of a job title that's completely useless... but I could definitely see this as an opportunity to cross-train employees and reduce workforce. Obviously this wouldn't translate across all industries, but some specialized positions could be eliminated and duties divided across middle management or farmed out to a consultant.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:16 pm to Pettifogger
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The reality is that a ton of management/middle management type jobs in corporate America are justified in existence almost entirely by virtue of having meetings and beating subjects to death in paper shuffling, conference calls and the like
Modern day "middle management" is a bastardization of what corporate structure used to be like.
"Middle managers" used to be experts in small scale operations, and there was a direct line for your experienced, seasoned employees to join management ranks that way.
New hire bolts handles on car doors.
2 years later he runs all door assembly.
3 years later he gets a management job for all door assembly throughout the plant.
4 years later he manages all outside fixtures.
5 years later he joins the corporate team overseeing design/engineering of all outside fixtures.
At every point, he is an expert on your product and should be able to deal with issues that arise in his narrow slice of authority.
Starting in the 50s-60s and going full bore by the 80s, the C-suite began hiring management consulting firms to assess corporate structure and improve inefficiency. First thing they say is "Look how much you're paying 'managers' who don't supervise very much. Fire all of them, hire 1 guy to over see everything and contract out with us to help."
30 years later, Top 100 firms have nothing in the way of an internal talent pipeline, they all just fight over the same MBAs from the same schools who have no original ideas and little experience even in the workforce, let alone with their respective products. Field workers see no pathway to corporate and corporate policies are designed less and less with field ops in mind.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:17 pm to volod
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Some of you really need to stop celebrating the job losses.
Quick name anyone who did this or link a single posts doing so
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:19 pm to Muthsera
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Modern day "middle management" is a bastardization of what corporate structure used to be like.
Modern Day middle management is some bizarre child of the Peter Principle and logical fallacy that letters behind your name correspond to your ability
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:53 pm to volod
I'm not giving you an upvote or a downvoted.
However stating that
This is true. However, the scale of laziness in a public vs private job is staggering. Ask any person who's worked in both.
However stating that
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many private sector jobs are no different than public sector counterparts. You have lazy elements in both..
This is true. However, the scale of laziness in a public vs private job is staggering. Ask any person who's worked in both.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:32 pm to Paul Allen
quote:chief diversity officers
Not disagreeing with you, but what are some examples?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:34 pm to TH03
AOC? (not TD members, but someone...)
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