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"$600 Unemployment Benefit Drove Her to Close" NPR

Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:27 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:27 pm
$600 job benefit is creating havoc for businesses trying to stay open

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$600 per week.

That's what the federal government is now offering to people who've lost their jobs because of the coronavirus.

For many workers and employers, that money is a godsend — a way to keep food on the table while also cutting payroll costs.

But the extra money can create some awkward situations. Some businesses that want to keep their doors open say it's hard to do so when employees can make more money by staying home.

"We basically have this situation where it would be a logical choice for a lot of people to be unemployed," said Sky Marietta, who opened a coffee shop along with her husband, Geoff, last year in Harlan, Ky.

Their goal was to provide good coffee, good Internet service and some opportunity in a community that has been starved of all three.

"We're very committed to helping to transform the downtowns and main streets in eastern Kentucky," Marietta said.

When the couple advertised for workers, nearly 100 people applied for just a handful of openings.

The shop had been up and running for only a few months when the coronavirus hit. Marietta adopted precautions, instructing her workers to wash their hands frequently and disinfecting the door handle.

Eventually, she stopped letting customers come into the shop, delivering orders to the curb instead. But Marietta was determined to stay open.

"The No. 1 people that we're serving right now are health care workers," she said. "I feel like they don't have a lot of options, and they certainly deserve at least some coffee in this, right?"But even though she had customers, Marietta reluctantly decided to close the coffee shop just over a week ago.

"The very people we hired have now asked us to be laid off," Marietta wrote in a blog post. "Not because they did not like their jobs or because they did not want to work, but because it would cost them literally hundreds of dollars per week to be employed."

With the federal government now offering $600 a week on top of the state's unemployment benefits, she recognized her former employees could make more money staying home than they did on the job.

"You also have to think, the benefit of not having to go to work, especially during a pandemic," Marietta said in an interview with NPR. "It's not that we don't wish that we could pay our employees at that level all the time. You're always wanting to pay your staff the best you possible can. But to be put in a position where you can't compete with them being at home, unemployed. It's really tricky. It's a really difficult situation to be in."

Some Republican lawmakers warned about this unintended consequence of the relief bill when it was being drafted, noting that $600 a week amounts to $15 an hour, more than twice the federal minimum wage. That's in addition to state unemployment benefits, which vary widely, from a maximum of $235 per week in Mississippi to $795 per week in Massachusetts.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says the administration opted to provide a uniform federal unemployment benefit in order to get money out the door quickly. As it is, states have struggled to pay the benefit to the millions of newly unemployed people who are applying every week.

This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 4:31 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31985 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:29 pm to
Pay under the table
Think about this, if you own a business like a restaurant, or a small retail shop, if you can find a way to pay your employees under the table, and they can draw their unemployment, it's working out for both of you.

Another thing, I don't know how this works, with all of that money already being earmarked and allocated, but I suspect, that if it doesn't all get used up, the politicians will find a way to put it in their own pockets. I would prefer that working people get it. Taxpayers will be paying back all of it anyway.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 7:52 pm
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14918 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:29 pm to
I remember Marco Rubio and Tim Scott warning this could create a problem.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8876 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:31 pm to
So, in effect, DJT just raised the minimum wage, since to get forgiveness on the PPP free money, you have to hire the same number of people back to work as you had last year. To get the best people first, they have to get paid enough to get of the porch.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15770 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:31 pm to
I can see the headlines now:

Drumph takes away unemployment benefits and forces people to risk their lives with reopening the economy
Posted by TigerFox
Member since Jun 2013
319 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:33 pm to
There’s a limit to how much a person can get in one year off of unemployment. Yeah they are getting $600 now but it won’t last but a month or two before they won’t get anything else.
Posted by johnnydrama
Possibly Trashy
Member since Feb 2010
9207 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:34 pm to
I don't think people can just QUIT their jobs and qualify for the CARES money, or any unemployment benefit.

Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:35 pm to
I think the federal $600 can go as long as 39 weeks
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
Location: Classified
Member since Nov 2011
39803 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:36 pm to
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I don't think people can just QUIT their jobs and qualify for the CARES money, or any unemployment benefit.


Yes, if they claim it is COVID related.
Posted by jimdog
columbus, ga
Member since Dec 2012
6636 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:38 pm to
That's a blatant lie! You cannot draw unemployment unless you are let go off or discharged. You cannot just quit and draw and all states check with the employer to ascertain the reason you are no longer there. Quitting to draw unemployment is a no go.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

Under the CARES Act, you can receive unemployment benefits if you are unable to work or are working reduced hours as a result of the coronavirus. That includes people who are directly impacted by the virus — those who have symptoms, are quarantined or are caring for someone who has COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

Your workplace closed due to the public health emergency.

You had to quit your job because of the coronavirus.

You can’t work because you are a caregiver to someone whose school or other facility closed and you need to care for them.

You were supposed to start a job but it fell through or you can’t get there because of the coronavirus.


Basically you can quit your job if the school your kids go to closes because of the virus and still get the unemployment.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:40 pm to
You are wrong jimdog.

The act that gave that $600 changed all of that. It was passed by a republican senate, a democrat House and signed by a republican president.
Posted by Lsu101205
Atlanta, GA
Member since Jan 2014
3220 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

Yes, if they claim it is COVID related.


That depends on the state.

Some states its real easy to game the system. Others the employers can pretty easily get UI cutoff.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

Others the employers can pretty easily get UI cutoff.


name one
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20705 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:42 pm to
Workers not working and staying home become dependent voters. A governments dream.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3822 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

That's a blatant lie! You cannot draw unemployment unless you are let go off or discharged. You cannot just quit and draw and all states check with the employer to ascertain the reason you are no longer there. Quitting to draw unemployment is a no go.


You’re wrong. But its already been posted so I won’t belabor the point.
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2619 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:43 pm to
I believe you are correct. I was under the impression with furloughed staff that they are eligible for unemployment but as soon as you offer them to come back to work and they decline, they lose their unemployment benefits. If it doesn’t work that way, it should.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
67882 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:47 pm to
Those employees are very short-sighted. Long-term employment would pay far more than whatever short-term gains they think they would achieve.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44842 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

Basically you can quit your job if the school your kids go to closes because of the virus and still get the unemployment.



All the employee has to say is that they are scared for their lives and go home. They get the benefits. The federal gov't is paying my employees more to sit at home and do nothing than I can afford to pay them in my retail store.

Here's an even better example: We have a part time high school kid that works maybe 6-8 hrs a week. We pay her $10/hr to do what little she does. That same kid can now claim unemployment (which she has) to the tune of $600/week. So, not only is she making more money per hour than she was making working for us, she is also making a full 40 hours.

Our gov't is so fricked up it isn't funny. Why we allow them to do anything at all is beyond me. They fricked up the economy with the virus scare BS then fricked it up even more when they tried to fix it.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
14373 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:51 pm to
It sucks but businesses should report any employees who they offer to return to work who turn them down. Unemployment is for people actively looking for a job and can't find an offer. Don't abuse the system.
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