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re: 800+ nursing home residents in warehouse in Independence update page 4
Posted on 9/4/21 at 12:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/4/21 at 12:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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The nursing home lobby in LA is STRONG.
There is a reason the Governor speaks at the LNHA conference every year.
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Posted on 9/4/21 at 12:39 am to teke184
Not ideal but 4 deaths is no doubt below the norm for that many nursing home patients in a system. They no doubt had a choice, leave them in the “predicted” path of the storm or move them to a safer location. They made the right call with the info they had in the time frame they had to evacuate those patients. If they would have stayed at the facilities they were at there would be much more carnage for the media to exploit. I’m not a dean fan by any measure, but it was the right call based on the info they had at the time.
Posted on 9/4/21 at 12:44 am to td1
COVID DID THIS YOU SEE, WEAR A MASK AND SHUT THE FRONT DOOR
Posted on 9/4/21 at 12:48 am to lachellie
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Where’s Nakamoto? Will he touch this story?
Seems more of a Zurik story
Posted on 9/4/21 at 12:53 am to GreenRockTiger
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Well, these nursing home people were supposed to be taken care of by the nursing home or their families (depending on the health of the patient). Because they cannot prepare or evacuate themselves. However, it seems as if the nursing homes did not have a proper plan in place (there are rules they are supposed to follow) and the nursing home administrators/owners are useless.
ETA: LDH should really help or make sure nursing homes follow the proper protocol with this especially with what happened after Katrina.
I know it won’t be well received, but I may be able to provide some speculative context here.
Yes, LDH requires evacuation and transportation plans and signed agreements - for initial licensure and renewal. Annual review of these plans by administrators is also required. LDH checks all this as part of initial and ongoing surveys. In fact, in my world, LDH’s points of top focus are 1) Evacuation Protocol and 2) Medication Management.
Not only that, but destination facilities of record are required in the LDH emergency management portal, esf-8/MSTAT, which enters mandatory reporting period any time a TS/hurricane approaches LA.
The originating facilities had such protocols. Simply put, they wouldn’t have licenses otherwise.
I’ve been helping try to find temporary relocation for industry friends in SELA, contacting my own destination facilities, with whom I’d spoken to last week, as forecasts put my disaster plan in motion. No one can take any of them because they are struggling with their own staffing as it is.
So, as awful as this story is, the reality is that destination facilities are at capacity with COVID-19 and/or dealing with the same staffing shortages as everywhere. To compound matters, the majority of staff decides very quickly their own families and homes take precedence over work/evacuation/residents.
As an administrator, when your destination facilities fall through, your staff bails, and you’re responsible for lives, the most important thing is getting a roof over heads. I have no doubt the conditions were abhorrent and I’m glad LDH stepped in, but, if I’m one of the few that stuck around to at least get residents that far, I’m probably telling the inspector to go frick himself too.
Posted on 9/4/21 at 9:40 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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I know it won’t be well received, but I may be able to provide some speculative context here.
In the lengthy and contentious interview Chief Edwards game with WVUE (see my post above for link) he clearly states that this group of nursing homes had obtained and equipped this warehouse to temporarily house 300 to 350 residents. Upwards of 800 residents were evacuated there, which obviously was far too many.
Is the NH owner required by LDH to have an emergency evacuation plan that accounts for every bed in their facilities?
Posted on 9/4/21 at 9:42 am to ellishughtiger
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Seems more of a Zurik story
That was the guy going after Chief Edwards in that lengthy on air interview in the link I posted above. Worth watching.
Posted on 9/4/21 at 1:18 pm to lachellie
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In the lengthy and contentious interview Chief Edwards game with WVUE (see my post above for link) he clearly states that this group of nursing homes had obtained and equipped this warehouse to temporarily house 300 to 350 residents. Upwards of 800 residents were evacuated there, which obviously was far too many.
Is the NH owner required by LDH to have an emergency evacuation plan that accounts for every bed in their facilities?
What I’m saying is, and I could be wrong, I’m assuming this warehouse wasn’t Plan A for everyone displaced there.
The owner isn’t, but the licensed administrator(s) is, for any patient needing evacuation or accommodation. Ability to evacuate is a LDH-mandated part of pre-residency and ongoing appraisals/assessments.
I’m not suggesting they didn’t drop the ball, because they did - that’s obvious; merely providing a lens other than the evening news.
Posted on 9/4/21 at 7:23 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
Posted on 9/4/21 at 7:24 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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In addition, LDH team members were subject to intimidation by the owner of the seven nursing facilities.
JBE fixing to be caught between a rock & a hard place
Posted on 9/4/21 at 8:46 pm to Joe_Dirte
What is that picture supposed to prove?
There are maybe 100 people in that picture at the most.
Show me 2,000 people in a warehouse that had their phones confiscated.
There are maybe 100 people in that picture at the most.
Show me 2,000 people in a warehouse that had their phones confiscated.
Posted on 9/4/21 at 10:02 pm to I B Freeman
Give me a bullet before letting me get substandard care in a Louisiana nursing home.
Posted on 9/4/21 at 10:31 pm to I B Freeman
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Frank Edwards, chief of police in Independence quoted in the article, is the governors brother.
Still blows my mind someone from Amite is the police chief in Independence.
Then again the town isn't the same it was 20 some years ago. I can confirm that warehouse isn't big at all but it's always been some sort of industrial warehouse. Not a place I'd want to take nursing home patients in any circumstance.
Posted on 9/4/21 at 10:46 pm to lachellie
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he clearly states that this group of nursing homes had obtained and equipped this warehouse to temporarily house 300 to 350 residents. Upwards of 800 residents were evacuated there, which obviously was far too many.
If too many were evacuated there, then once again all fingers should point back at LDH / GOHSEP as they arranged for the emergency evacuation transportation to the facility after the original transportation contract fell through. The state can’t pretend they had no idea of the numbers being transported there.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:06 am to Cymry Teigr
Posted on 9/5/21 at 8:18 pm to icutmyownlawn
Im not trying to prove anything. I don’t give two shits about any of this. I was reading this thread bc it was raining at my house and You asked for a pic. So I found one supposedly from inside.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 8:36 pm to Pechon
Frank Edwards is a pretty good dude.
He’s been a small town police chief for a long time while other family has been more ambitious.
His comments about an investigation aren’t out of the norm if you understand the roles of the various governing authorities involved.
He’s been a small town police chief for a long time while other family has been more ambitious.
His comments about an investigation aren’t out of the norm if you understand the roles of the various governing authorities involved.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:56 am to Meauxjeaux
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Frank Edwards is a pretty good dude
Oh I don't have anything against Frank myself as we've never met. He isn't his brothers at least. It's just that rivalry used to be deep back in the day and if you weren't of Sicilian descent you weren't going to be involved in Indy politics.
While his comments can be taken as harsh but Indy PD isn't a big bustling force or a speed trap like Tickfaw. I mean they need help from TPSO when the original Italian Festival was there. I could imagine given how torn up that town was after the storm they had a lot going on. Plenty of trees blocking roads and on houses there.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:46 am to I B Freeman
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Dean has been a prolific political donor to both the governor and Kennedy despite their differing political party affiliations. Dean contributed $42,500 to Edwards during his second gubernatorial run and $7,500 to the governor’s brother, Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff Daniel Edwards. Both are Democrats.
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Dean also donated $25,000 in June to the Conservative Louisiana political action committee, which supports Kennedy, who is a Republican. Though the PAC supports Kennedy, his spokesperson said that “contributions to the Conservative Louisiana PAC do not go to Sen. Kennedy, nor does he direct their distribution.”
The PAC initiated a refund of Dean's donations last week, according to its treasurer.
Somebody should report on former mayor Mannino's involvement too.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 12:07 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
We got one of the residents from there .. after a hospital stay.
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