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re: 4 day work week- California bill would lead the way
Posted on 4/9/22 at 1:43 pm to TigerintheNO
Posted on 4/9/22 at 1:43 pm to TigerintheNO
My employer, a smallish manufacturing company started allowing us to get our hours in 4 days when gas prices spiked. I work between 45-50hrs/week. I love it, as I have a bit of a commute.
Not sure how I feel about it being government mandated though…
Not sure how I feel about it being government mandated though…
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:05 pm to TigerintheNO
I'd be on board. More time for the important things in life. frick work. It pays my bills and feeds my family, but I don't get fulfillment from my job anymore.
We'd feel the reduction in hours in our income but we'd be okay.
We'd feel the reduction in hours in our income but we'd be okay.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:07 pm to Hulkklogan
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I'd be on board. More time for the important things in life. frick work. It pays my bills and feeds my family, but I don't get fulfillment from my job anymore.
We'd feel the reduction in hours in our income but we'd be okay.
Well and it depends on how you do it. You can still make 40 hours in 4 days. Shift to a 10 hour day instead. So you may not necessarily have to take an income hit.
ETA: Obviously different than the California bill.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
I've worked 4 10s before and enjoyed that too, but I didn't have a family then.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:18 pm to Hulkklogan
I am a staunch advocate of a 4 10 hr work days.
I'm not gonna get into debating whacko California politics.
But I will say I have zero issue with trying to get folks 3 days off. Yes...mankind was meant to work.
But until the industrial and subsequently digital revolution, that work was by and large you and yours scraping by in your field every day making sure you had crops. Hunting. Fixing things. Etc.
Mankind was not put here to work idly at a desk staring at a screen getting fat on fast food and having unnending stress trying to keep up with the Joneses and win the rat race. It's a large contributor to our rampant obesity in the US.
So do I think making companies pay OT is sound financial policy? Probably not. But am I going to complain if I'm getting that? Of course not.
There has to be a shift to a more sane work/life balance. Some folks immediately react to this stuff as if people are trying to do zero work and get on the government dole. frick those people. Adjust things so folks work 32 hours a week and have more time for family, friends, church functions quick road trips concerts, working out, etc....I'm not opposed to it.
I'm not gonna get into debating whacko California politics.
But I will say I have zero issue with trying to get folks 3 days off. Yes...mankind was meant to work.
But until the industrial and subsequently digital revolution, that work was by and large you and yours scraping by in your field every day making sure you had crops. Hunting. Fixing things. Etc.
Mankind was not put here to work idly at a desk staring at a screen getting fat on fast food and having unnending stress trying to keep up with the Joneses and win the rat race. It's a large contributor to our rampant obesity in the US.
So do I think making companies pay OT is sound financial policy? Probably not. But am I going to complain if I'm getting that? Of course not.
There has to be a shift to a more sane work/life balance. Some folks immediately react to this stuff as if people are trying to do zero work and get on the government dole. frick those people. Adjust things so folks work 32 hours a week and have more time for family, friends, church functions quick road trips concerts, working out, etc....I'm not opposed to it.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:25 pm to TigerintheNO
How many people who are all about a 32 hour work week will also accept a 20% cut to their pay?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:29 pm to UKWildcats
Positives and negatives.
Work life balance will become worse in the short term. Long term people will adapt.
Efficiency will get better.
Meetings will be reduced.
Companies will relocate.
Business models will have to change.
TGIF will need to be updated.
Work life balance will become worse in the short term. Long term people will adapt.
Efficiency will get better.
Meetings will be reduced.
Companies will relocate.
Business models will have to change.
TGIF will need to be updated.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:32 pm to TigerintheNO
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4 day work week
I already have one. I like it a lot.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:38 pm to TigerintheNO
I know this isn't how this bill works, but I love the jobs that do 4 10s or 2 days on 2 days off working 12s. You have to bust arse more at work, but it's worth it for that schedule.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 2:42 pm to Centinel
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How many people who are all about a 32 hour work week will also accept a 20% cut to their pay?
I think that a lot of people are assuming fewer hours but the same pay in this thread. Hell if that's the case I support a 4 hr work week.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:07 pm to teke184
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Flip side is that working fewer hours means you get less pay.
Same people bitching about the amount of work they have are likely also the same ones living paycheck to paycheck and can’t afford to lose hours.
Not as black and white as that, but likely some of that, yes.
But also if labor hours available are over all reduced, hourly pay increases would also be expected.
That would vary widely by industries and skill levels
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:08 pm to pelicansfan123
Cause America, any change is bad.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:17 pm to NoSaint
quote:I don’t necessarily disagree but I still don’t think 40 hours/week to make a living is soul crushing or whatever
We’ve radically grown technology and generally doubled our workforce to boot… at some point it makes sense to scale down hours.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:19 pm to TigerintheNO
I’m not working an extra day unless they give me a raise
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:23 pm to Stamps74
They have transitioned to four day work weeks in portions of Europe like France. Productivity dropped.
Don’t claim that it just has t been tried by the right people yet.
Don’t claim that it just has t been tried by the right people yet.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:25 pm to Centinel
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How many people who are all about a 32 hour work week will also accept a 20% cut to their pay?
Yep. Do they not realize how this works?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:26 pm to TigerintheNO
I only work 7 days every 2 weeks. Sometimes it requires me to work weekends. I would take a 32 hour work week though.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:30 pm to TigerintheNO
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A proposed bill winding its way through the state Legislature could make California the first state in the nation to reduce its workweek to four days for a large swath of workers.
The bill, AB 2932, would change the definition of a workweek from 40 hours to 32 hours for companies with more than 500 employees. A full workday would remain at eight hours, and employers would be required to provide overtime pay for employees working longer than four full days.
The bill known as the Make California Even More Unfriendly to Business Act was authored by Assembly Members Cristina Garcia (D-Bell Gardens) and Evan Low (D-San Jose).
At the federal level, a bill by Rep. Mark Takano (D-Riverside) is pushing for similar changes under the Fair Labor Standards Act.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:34 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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don’t necessarily disagree but I still don’t think 40 hours/week to make a living is soul crushing or whatever
It’s all a matter of perspective. I have a hard time saying, as current American full time salaried work is all I really know.
I can say that if I had similar financial freedoms but a bit more professional flexibility my quality of life would be much better. That said, I’m working more than 40, cell phones have given my employer constant access to me, and most jobs I’ve had see vacation time as a chore and not an important quality of life issue.
If I could work 40, pay my bills, have a little play money and actually unplug off the clock I’d probably not complain tooooo much though.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 5:35 pm
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