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re: 2018 was Earth's 4th hottest year on record

Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:11 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:11 am to
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I have difficulty believing that all the climate scientists in the world came to the same consensus for this reason. My suspicion is that if your favorite political team weren't pushing against climate change (for obvious reasons), you'd take the findings of 95+% of scientists on this matter,


Yet strangely when we had a chance for more nuclear in the 70's, "your party" was on the side that didn't want it.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89339 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:13 am to
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I stayed awake through most of my 6th grade science periods, which, apparently, puts me in the top 30% here.


If you're going for anyone taking you seriously, this is not how you do it.

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I have difficulty believing that all the climate scientists in the world came to the same consensus for this reason


Not every climate scientist has the same conclusions, so now it's even harder to take you seriously when you seem incapable of present facts.
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My suspicion is that if your favorite political team weren't pushing against climate change (for obvious reasons), you'd take the findings of 95+% of scientists on this matter, just like you do on matters that right wing media has no opinion on.
Posted by DONHOGG
NE Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
1981 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:13 am to
God is in control not man. Just another excuse to get money!!!
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:14 am to
I just question how they “take the temperature” of the planet. I’ve worked in thermal satellite calibration studies, and though they’re excellent at taking relative temperature, a measure of absolute temperature was very difficult. Emissivity is a bitch.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
49201 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:15 am to
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Thank heavens we didn’t record the first few billion years
FIFY
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22277 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:15 am to
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Yet strangely when we had a chance for more nuclear in the 70's, "your party" was on the side that didn't want it.



I don't have a party. That's the issue I'm pointing out. I believe in science. My political views, which vary greatly depending on the issue, have nothing to do with it.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91545 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:18 am to
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Assuming human derived climate change is evident, the US is not the problem.


Posted by 200MPHCOBRA
Member since Nov 2016
518 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:20 am to
I posted easily found graphs that dispute the narrative. They want to reduce our standard of living by moving away from the cheapest, effective form of energy we have,oil, gas and coal. The same cabal resits nuclear which could do the most to move us away from fossil fuels, but they don't like that either.

They do like taking your money for windmill and solar boondoggles though. Notice how they go broke when the government money runs out? Same thing during Carters administration. Who is doing that to us? Democrats.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:20 am to
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I believe in science.


Do you believe humanity is doomed?
Do you believe we have done a good job of reducing emissions to this point?


I believe in climate change, however its routinely exaggerated for political purposes.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:21 am to
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I just question how they “take the temperature” of the planet. I’ve worked in thermal satellite calibration studies, and though they’re excellent at taking relative temperature, a measure of absolute temperature was very difficult. Emissivity is a bitch


That's not an unreasonable concern and we'd both agree a source of uncertainty. Enough to throw out the temperature data entirely? Plus, we've had a decent spread of weather stations to get ground readings for decades.

Gotta give you credit though, that's bringing up an actual source of error and questions the scientist types actually must consider.
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:22 am to
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Is that like when somebody says a city has an All-Time Low Temperature for a day? Everybody just neglects to remember that this whole thing used to be covered in a layer of ice


Or like when people say that 2018 was Earth's hottest year and that it is all man's fault.

Everybody neglects to remember that this whole thing used to be covered in a layer of ice.

For some reason they deny science.
Posted by 200MPHCOBRA
Member since Nov 2016
518 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:25 am to
Hence the correlation with balloon measurements, which are very close.

I'm sure you have seen the gross land based station placing
errors from parking lots and airport runways, ac units and urbanization encroachment.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:25 am to
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I just question how they “take the temperature” of the planet.


One huge rectal thermometer stuck in Tuscaloosa.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22277 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:25 am to
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Do you believe humanity is doomed?


By climate change? I don't know, possibly. I know a lot of animal species are.

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Do you believe we have done a good job of reducing emissions to this point?



I think we did a good job in Obama's administration, and now Republicans are doing all they can to reverse it.

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I believe in climate change, however its routinely exaggerated for political purposes.


It might be exaggerated by politicians, yes. But, it's a huge problem that needs to be continued to be addressed. I'm aware that China is a worse problem. But, we can do better as well. I don't know what to do about China and India.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 9:27 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:27 am to
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I think we did a good job in Obama's administration, and now Republicans are doing all they can to reverse it.


And there it is..

A party hack.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:27 am to
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Or like when people say that 2018 was Earth's hottest year and that it is all man's fault.



4th hottest on record.

Which considers a short period of time, but a very relevant one. You know a time frame that we humans have been building modern civilization. What happened millions of years ago only matters to draw conclusions of causations. Climate change concerns how the change will impact humanity into the future.

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39215 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:28 am to
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Slow it down or at least stop the bleeding? I think we can.


Oh, we absolutely can. It’ll take a massive population reduction that will never happen.

Let’s go back to the world population of 1700 and every man, woman, and child can burn as much coal as they want and it won’t matter.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:28 am to
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Everybody neglects to remember that this whole thing used to be covered in a layer of ice.


The issue with CS is the temperature rising at a faster rate than normal. There's some legitimacy to it.

It's the outlandish predictions I have issue with, since most that have been made have already failed or revised.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86677 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:29 am to
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Everybody neglects to remember that this whole thing used to be covered in a layer of ice.


Nobody does this
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86677 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:31 am to
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It's the outlandish predictions I have issue with, since most that have been made have already failed or revised.



I have a problem with those too, which is why I mostly ignore them.

But you can't even discuss the science anymore without having those beliefs being attached to you.

It's incredibly frustrating.

fricking Al Gore.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 9:32 am
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