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re: 2018 was Earth's 4th hottest year on record
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:49 am to Teague
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:49 am to Teague
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Or socialist politicians that want to use climate legislation to achieve long-desired control over the free market via taxes, fines and regulations.
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Personally, I think we should consult the experts on this matter - politicians who are paid by oil companies and manufacturing companies who want relaxed pollution laws.
Or socialist politicians that want to use climate legislation to achieve long-desired control over the free market via taxes, fines and regulations.
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Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:50 am to Duke
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A modest carbon tax to act as an incentive to move toward implementing these efficiencies.
I was with you up until this.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:50 am to Teague
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Personally, I think we should consult the experts on this matter - politicians who are paid by oil companies and manufacturing companies who want relaxed pollution laws.
Or "$cientists" who get millions of dollars to come up with bullzhit stats that match a bullzhit narrative being pushed by Politicians who want to control sheep.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:51 am to MLCLyons
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China invested more in renewable energy last year than any other country. They're currently investing 3x the amount the US is. Currently they are heavily dependent on coal but they are actively trying to change that.
We have been on a downward trajectory for decades, and have rapidly accelerated the rate over the past 10 years.
China has nothing on the USA.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:51 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Or socialist politicians that want to use climate legislation to achieve long-desired control over the free market via taxes, fines and regulations.
Those Socialists use "$cientists" who have decided the outcome of their work long before it is started.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:53 am to Grim
Why was Mesopotamia the most fertile place on Earth and now a desert?
It ain’t bc we drive cars.
The climate naturally changes.
It ain’t bc we drive cars.
The climate naturally changes.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:00 pm to Grim
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on record
So, since the mis-1880s?
and, what were the other 3?
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:00 pm to Centinel
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I was with you up until this.
You can disagree there. There a trade off between short term economic efficiency and improving the long term situation. The best way to strike that balance is certainly debatable.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:07 pm to Duke
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The best way to strike that balance is certainly debatable.
You do this by offering incentives like you had in the first part of your post.
You can't tax a corporation. That tax is simply passed on to the consumer. Raising energy prices across the country is not going to go over too well with most people.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:09 pm to Grim
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compared against a base line average from 1951 to 1980
Wow, highly scientific stuff. 26 years out of 4.5 billion
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:16 pm to beerJeep
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Here’s the thing though, the first world has a very real interest in keeping that 3rd world just that. The 3rd world.
This assumption is the problem. It's better for everyone if the third world is richer. More people to buy our stuff. More places able to take advantage of their particular situations to make a good cheaper that we can then buy. Look at the positive impact of the Chinese growth story. It hasn't exactly hurt developed economies.
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War and famine will only get worse as the population continues to rise. They can’t feed their people as it is yet the birth rate continues to climb. Hungry people are desperate people. Desperate people are destructive people. Destructive people don’t improve their position in life.
War and famine happening, birth rates keep rising, so war and famine will cause the birth rates to slow?
Sub Saharan Africa is currently seeing steady growth rates, despite the political instabilities in the region. While those certainly produce downside risk going forward, you'd think those would already be materializing in stagnation in both birth rate and economic growth.
IMF on Sub Saharan Africa economic growth
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:19 pm to Centinel
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You do this by offering incentives like you had in the first part of your post.
Why not both?
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That tax is simply passed on to the consumer. Raising energy prices across the country is not going to go over too well with most people.
I don't disagree, which is why I said "modest". I'm calling for such a tax as another incentive to move in the direction we want to go, the question of political viability for exact levels (or any tax) is an open question.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:49 pm to Grim
Defund NPR!
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