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re: 12 college lacrosse players hospitalized after workout with Navy SEAL
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:52 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:52 am to Darth_Vader
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Rhabdomyolysis is a rare muscle injury where a person’s muscles break down, according to the Cleveland Clinic. It’s a life-threatening condition that can happen after an injury or excessive exercise without rest.
Is this a condition that happens after trying to push the limits with almost non-stop weight lifting or did they get this from an intense cardio type workout?
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:55 am to Tiger Prawn
So how do Ironman athletes avoid this? They do nonstop exercise for like 13 hours straight. 
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:56 am to Lsupimp
If it’s a real diagnosis it’s pretty bad. Can permanently damage the kidneys. They are probably on dialysis.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:56 am to Oates Mustache
quote:They generally don’t.
So how do Ironman athletes avoid this? They do nonstop exercise for like 13 hours straight.
Many of them get rhabdo.
This isn’t rare.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:57 am to lsu777
quote:
training like that does not make you mentally tougher and sure as hell doesnt help performance
I don't know what training they were doing, but there are definitely workout regimens that make you mentally tougher. See high school wrestlers
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:57 am to Scruffy
Yikes. You don't hear about it much.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:57 am to Oates Mustache
quote:
So how do Ironman athletes avoid this? They do nonstop exercise for like 13 hours straight.
You're serious, aren't you
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:57 am to Darth_Vader
This is why cross training is so important
There is still this old school mentality behind athletics where as long as you lift weights and run, you are good.
But the truth is, you aren’t in high intensity workout shape. Even it’s mainly body weight stuff, going through a SEAL type workout just lifting and running ain’t gonna cut it.
It’s like when guys that lift and run come in Jiu Jitsu and think they are gonna manhandle people and 1 minute of grappling into the round and they suck air.
Cross training and high intensity training is extremely important in all athletics and i love seeing that more and more programs are moving to that.
There is still this old school mentality behind athletics where as long as you lift weights and run, you are good.
But the truth is, you aren’t in high intensity workout shape. Even it’s mainly body weight stuff, going through a SEAL type workout just lifting and running ain’t gonna cut it.
It’s like when guys that lift and run come in Jiu Jitsu and think they are gonna manhandle people and 1 minute of grappling into the round and they suck air.
Cross training and high intensity training is extremely important in all athletics and i love seeing that more and more programs are moving to that.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:58 am to Sao
I don't pretend to be a medical professional. This is the first I've heard of this.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:59 am to XenScott
quote:Probably not.
They are probably on dialysis.
I’ve seen CK levels in the 100s of thousands (normal is less than 200) and they don’t end up on dialysis.
Usually it is just pumping them full of fluids to clear it.
I have, personally, never had to have someone put on dialysis.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 9:05 am
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:02 am to Oates Mustache
quote:Because it generally isn’t a big deal.
Yikes. You don't hear about it much.
I used to work with an ultra-marathon runner who would preemptively get fluids in the Peds hospital where she worked.
All to prevent rhabdo.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:04 am to Scruffy
So is it due to severe dehydration or overworked muscles?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:05 am to Oates Mustache
quote:
So is it due to severe dehydration or overworked muscles?
Overworked muscles/inflammation with resulting release of kidney damaging compounds.
The fluid concern is related to whether you are staying hydrated enough to clear the compound and prevent kidney damage.
Somewhat oversimplification, but in general.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:06 am to Oates Mustache
Rhabdo has been around forever and any trainer or medic worth his salt knows what to look for.
It’s generally caused by a combination of intense prolonged exertion, hot humid conditions, lack of hydration or over hydration resulting in electrolyte imbalance. There are many, myself included, who see linkage between creatine usage and the condition but no definitive studies on that.
In layman’s terms, the body starts eating muscle for energy, the kidneys shut down, blood work and electrolytes get wonky and the person crashes. Can result in death if not treated. Severe cases can end up on dialysis and fluids.
It’s generally caused by a combination of intense prolonged exertion, hot humid conditions, lack of hydration or over hydration resulting in electrolyte imbalance. There are many, myself included, who see linkage between creatine usage and the condition but no definitive studies on that.
In layman’s terms, the body starts eating muscle for energy, the kidneys shut down, blood work and electrolytes get wonky and the person crashes. Can result in death if not treated. Severe cases can end up on dialysis and fluids.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:06 am to nolaks
quote:
I don't know what training they were doing, but there are definitely workout regimens that make you mentally tougher. See high school wrestlers
nope...being mentally tough comes from doing the right thing over and over not a workout
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:07 am to Scruffy
Serious question: If you are going to attempt a high intensity workout like this, should you increase your intake of potassium leading up to it? Maybe some extra carbs as well? How would you try to prepare your body for this?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:10 am to KiwiHead
quote:I probably wouldn’t increase potassium intake.
should you increase your intake of potassium leading up to it?
Rhabdo can correlate with hyperkalemia.
I mean, the best recommendation is to slowly build your body’s muscles and tolerance over time to the point where it can cope with high intensity activity.
Most of the cases I see are individuals who don’t workout much and then decide to bike 15 miles or perform an high intensity workout.
Stay hydrated.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:12 am to Scruffy
quote:
Scruffy
Just curious. When do you decide when to break character? Is it when you are serious like on this topic?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:13 am to TDTOM
quote:When I feel like it, honestly.
Just curious. When do you decide when to break character? Is it when you are serious like on this topic?
Usually topics like this though.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:15 am to Darth_Vader
If they think the navy seal workout is hard they’d never make it at my CrossFit box
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