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re: 1 out of 10 people in the US have a 83 IQ or less
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:31 am to PhilipMarlowe
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:31 am to PhilipMarlowe
Match test scores and adult literacy to electoral maps, and you'll see the problem
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:48 am to RightHook
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just another reason to stop immigration for unskilled/uneducated people.
all the more reason to slash education funding. fricking waste of money if there ever was one.
Education has nothing to do with IQ. IQ is a measure of one's ability to think logically, use of memory, spatial understanding, etc. It's not a test of book smarts, at all. You have just as much chance of being a genius, in terms of IQ, coming from a small Latin American village as you do being the daughter of an American oil tycoon.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:55 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Education has nothing to do with IQ. IQ is a measure of one's ability to think logically, use of memory, spatial understanding, etc. It's not a test of book smarts, at all. You have just as much chance of being a genius, in terms of IQ, coming from a small Latin American village as you do being the daughter of an American oil tycoon.
I am genuinely curious is IQ is genetically transferable.
For instance if two individuals with 120+ IQ have a child, is a logical assumption to believe that child (under normal conditions) will have the same or greater IQ?
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 10:57 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:02 am to mmmmmbeeer
There is a verbal portion of the test
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:03 am to 50_Tiger
quote:It’s actually more like 1 out of 7.7 (12.9%) because IQ standard scores are just a normalization with the mean set at 100 and standard deviation of 15.
1 out of 10 people in the US have a 83 IQ or less
And if our population only consisted of those who currently have IQ scores of 130 or above, 12.9% of the population would still have an IQ or 83 or below because the tests would be normed to reflect that population.
And intelligence has increased dramatically over the last 100 years, by about 0,28 points per year. Therefore, a person with an IQ score of 100 today, would have had an IQ score around 130 a century ago.
One Century of Global IQ Gains: A Formal Meta-Analysis of the Flynn Effect (1909–2013)
quote:person who had an 83 today,
The Flynn effect (rising intelligence test performance in the general population over time and generations) varies enigmatically across countries and intelligence domains; its substantive meaning and causes remain elusive. This first formal meta-analysis on the topic revealed worldwide IQ gains across more than one century (1909–2013), based on 271 independent samples, totaling almost 4 million participants, from 31 countries. Key findings include that IQ gains vary according to domain (estimated 0.41, 0.30, 0.28, and 0.21 IQ points annually for fluid, spatial, full-scale,
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:10 am to 50_Tiger
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I am genuinely curious is IQ is genetically transferable.
For instance if two individuals with 120+ IQ have a child, is a logical assumption to believe that child (under normal conditions) will have the same or greater IQ?
They will likely have intelligent children but there's no linear progression. Some may be smarter, some less so. Hawking has 3 children, an engineer, a novelist and a teacher. Those are professions that require intelligence, but there's no indication any of them are super geniuses.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:11 am to 50_Tiger
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1 out of 10 people in the US have a 83 IQ or less
Liberals
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:12 am to 50_Tiger
quote:It would more likely be lower in fact, due to a regression to the mean; however, the Flynn Effect I noted above would probably offset that, but the IQ score itself would be adjusted for that since the tests are constantly updated and renormed.
For instance if two individuals with 120+ IQ have a child, is a logical assumption to believe that child (under normal conditions) will have the same or greater IQ?
But we would expect a child with more intelligent parents to have a higher score than a child with less intelligent parents.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:16 am to 50_Tiger
Let me answer your question with a question: Do you have any friends or relatives who are of above average itteligence who’ve had a child with an intellectual disability? That’s your answer.
I think an IQ of 120 is considered “superior intelligence”. Above 130 is considered very superior. Over 145, which statistically only includes 0.1% of the population, is rare and exceptional intelligence (except, of course, on the OT). It’s reasonable to assume that intelligent and/or educated parents will produce intelligent and/or educated children, but there’s no genetic guarantee.
I think an IQ of 120 is considered “superior intelligence”. Above 130 is considered very superior. Over 145, which statistically only includes 0.1% of the population, is rare and exceptional intelligence (except, of course, on the OT). It’s reasonable to assume that intelligent and/or educated parents will produce intelligent and/or educated children, but there’s no genetic guarantee.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:20 am to White Roach
WR and Buckeye
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:21 am to 50_Tiger
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1 out of 10 people in the US have a 83 IQ or less
This is not at all surprising to me.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:22 am to 50_Tiger
Buckeye sounds like he actually knows what he’s talking about and has some education on the subject matter to back up his posts. I’m just kind of winging it!
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:24 am to Hammertime
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There is a verbal portion of the test
I've never been tested but my understanding is that the verbal portion of the test is not so much to determine depth of vocabulary but rather the ability to make inferences from text. I wouldn't classify that as a form of testing how book smart an individual is, or is not.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:25 am to 50_Tiger
quote:I forgot to respond to this part of our post, but this is just nonsense. IQ is important, and it's more important for certain things than others, but even academic achievement, the thing more directly associated with intelligence, has 50% of its variance NOT EXPLAINED by IQ. So there is far more to be productive and successful than IQ, and that has been proven by the fact that it happens everyday and has for the entirety of our history.
These people cannot be saved, but are given tons of money and a vote in our processes day after day.
In addition, the fact that intelligence has risen significantly, really makes this 83 IQ score cut-off ridiculous since an 83 IQ score TODAY is roughly the same love of intelligence of an IQ score 60 years ago.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:26 am to buckeye_vol
You forgot to add the last part
quote:People with lower IQ scores are most definitely outbreeding people with higher IQ scores (at least in the US)
Key findings include that IQ gains vary according to domain (estimated 0.41, 0.30, 0.28, and 0.21 IQ points annually for fluid, spatial, full-scale, and crystallized IQ test performance, respectively), are stronger for adults than children, and have decreased in more recent decades
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:30 am to PhilipMarlowe
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i just call them trump voters
Would you support an IQ test as a requirement to vote?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:40 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:Well the most empirically-validated theory of intelligence is called the
I've never been tested but my understanding is that the verbal portion of the test is not so much to determine depth of vocabulary but rather the ability to make inferences from text. I wouldn't classify that as a form of testing how book smart an individual is, or is not.
Cattell–Horn–Carroll theory which basically posits that there are three abilities levels/stratums: general intelligence (G), which is comprised of set of broad abilities, and each of those broad abilities is a set of narrow abilities.
The broad ability you appear to be discussing is defined as this:
quote:So you're kind of right and wrong because the narrow abilities within that do measure the depth of one's vocabulary AND the ability to inference with that.
Comprehension-Knowledge (Gc): includes the breadth and depth of a person's acquired knowledge, the ability to communicate one's knowledge, and the ability to reason using previously learned experiences or procedures.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:42 am to mmmmmbeeer
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You have just as much chance of being a genius, in terms of IQ, coming from a small Latin American village as you do being the daughter of an American oil tycoon.
Ehhh.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:47 am to mmmmmbeeer
I took a proctored one a while back (actually five years after the previous one). IIRC, the verbal portion was basic vocab (from words like "house" to "the", and also naming things on cards), well-known facts (who is the president), similarities (describe how cat and tiger are similar), and comprehension. Hardest portion for me was the vocab. It seemed very abstract.
Someone from a "small Latin American village" with limited vocab and current event knowledge could have a hard time explaining that stuff
Someone from a "small Latin American village" with limited vocab and current event knowledge could have a hard time explaining that stuff
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:51 am to buckeye_vol
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buckeye_vol
Are you in MENSA or some sort of phd in neuroscience/psychology? You seem to be pretty knowledgeable and passionate about this stuff.
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