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re: Yahoo article puts Griffin and the FO a bit on blast.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:24 am to MeanWeen225
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:24 am to MeanWeen225
The bum never should have been hired. Just another poster child for the payment of millions to people within the sports industry that are incompetent. Anybody in the real world would be fired for these constant mistakes.
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:33 am to SammyTiger
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still think it’s dumb. Everyone, including Zion, is being short sighted
Most here aren’t going to disagree. It sucks we are in this position and being treated differently than every other situation ever.
But we are.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:37 am to Fun Bunch
Like does griffin have the “we are making sure we’re ready when you’re ready?
Unless Zion is willing to walk away from a max deal we have a ton of picks to use or trade, and a ton of roster flexibility when he’s going into that second contract
I can’t imagine the team will resemble this one at all. My only concern is that Griffin is just now talking about spacing and shooters.
Unless Zion is willing to walk away from a max deal we have a ton of picks to use or trade, and a ton of roster flexibility when he’s going into that second contract
I can’t imagine the team will resemble this one at all. My only concern is that Griffin is just now talking about spacing and shooters.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:38 am to SammyTiger
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Unless Zion is willing to walk away from a max deal
I still don’t think he will but I’m not as sure anymore. He’s the most likely guy to do it maybe ever. He makes a ton from endorsements. A max probably means less to him than most guys. Winning helps him make money more than an nba contract will.
We need to start winning. Now.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:43 am to Fun Bunch
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We need to start winning. Now.
I’m hoping a better coach and a full season of Zion with the ball in his hands helps. If we can add some shooters and continue to develop Hayes’s 3pt I don’t see why we can’t make the playoffs.
I think We need to just take the best shooter or Dand3 player available at 10
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:45 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:55 am to Fun Bunch
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I still don’t think he will but I’m not as sure anymore.
The important thing is he hits the criteria to get the Rose Rule money by making an All NBA team. If he plays 70+ games he should do that.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:58 am to Fun Bunch
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Winning helps him make money more than an nba contract will.
Exactly. Zion is making a lot in endorsements, but a deep playoff run and the exposure that comes from that would have made him a lot more this season, as many more company would want him.
Hopefully, that also gets him to work on his defense and shooting this offseason and report to camp in "point guard shape."
Because he's got some responsibility here too.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 12:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
Zion doesn't need exposure...there are like only 5 guys in the NBA that you can say only their first name to anyone and they know who you are talking about. Zion could be playing in Serbia and he would still get the endorsements
Posted on 7/10/21 at 12:43 pm to SammyTiger
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Selling out now to lose in the second round because Zion is 21 and not ready to be the main piece of a championship team is short sighted when you have a mountain of assets coming right when Zion starts to enter his prime.
Someone needs to sit Zion down or more preferably his family and tell them this. No team outside of OKC is stacked with assets for the future like our team.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 12:55 pm to SammyTiger
Coach? What coach might that be?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 12:59 pm to Townedrunkard
The world has changed and Zion is too high profile. He wanted to be in NY. I think we know that.
But he came here with an open mind and heart and I think in his mind and his family’s mind we failed. We are seen as a trash franchise and haven’t debunked it yet.
There’s time to turn it around but not a lot. We just don’t have the luxury of time that other franchises have had, or the benefit of the doubt.
We’ve got next year. By the end of next offseason we need to be a bonafide winner.
But he came here with an open mind and heart and I think in his mind and his family’s mind we failed. We are seen as a trash franchise and haven’t debunked it yet.
There’s time to turn it around but not a lot. We just don’t have the luxury of time that other franchises have had, or the benefit of the doubt.
We’ve got next year. By the end of next offseason we need to be a bonafide winner.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:00 pm to Fun Bunch
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Instead of using the No. 4 overall pick in the draft and taking a player like DeAndre Hunter, who played an impactful, if not heavily abbreviated, role on a Hawks team that made the Eastern Conference Finals, the team opted for more assets via trade with Atlanta to land Jaxson Hayes and Nickeil Alexander-Walker.
Such a lazy take. Look, DeAndre is good, but he sucked last season and pretty much missed most of this season and the playoffs with an injury. While he looks like he is going to be a good 4th starter in this league, he hasn't been able to stay healthy.
Both Jax and NAW look like they can be starters or high level bench players in this league. So they definitely aren't bust.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:16 pm to 504Voodoo
That’s a great point. I would even argue that both could be starting depending on if the Knicks overpay for Zo (which I think they will) and Hayes overtakes Adams in the starting lineup (which I think he should because he can develop into the mold of a less offensive but more athletic version of Deandre Ayton).
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:23 pm to Fun Bunch
Yahoo is a piece of shite, but that is a fair article. If anything, they went far too easy on Griff and the front office.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Everyone knew that Hayes was the very definition of a project, and yet he's a project that is developing very nicely. If he and NAW have the kind of offseason that I think they will, then they are going to have breakout seasons next year. Yeah, no patience.
This is kind of my issue with the whole “Pels CAN NOT add another rookie/young player to that roster!”
It’s year 3, it’s time for the story of Jaxson and NAW to shift from development to contributions.
Obviously they will continue to get better, but those two guys shouldn’t keep the Pelicans from adding another young player with a high ceiling.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:38 pm to CP3forMVP
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Obviously they will continue to get better, but those two guys shouldn’t keep the Pelicans from adding another young player with a high ceiling.
You’re right but time does. I wish we could do it your way. That would be great.
And we may be forced into doing it that way because there are no sellers.
But imagine if we had a guy this year that could play now instead of in 3 years (or never), plus whatever veterans we can get out of Bledsoe and Adams, plus an MLE vet. While still having plenty of picks you can use in the future on rookies when you are already good and can let guys develop.
That’s likely Griffin’s thinking.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 2:20 pm to MeanWeen225
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We could have had starting lineup of Lonzo, Deandre Hunter, BI, Zion and Christian Wood
very unlikely
Posted on 7/10/21 at 2:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
There’s a reason why, despite his obvious talent, every team that Wood has been with has tried to get rid of him. By all accounts he is just awful to deal with.
Houston just signed him to a big deal and is already looking to dump him.
Houston just signed him to a big deal and is already looking to dump him.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:26 pm to Fun Bunch
Well, they have some points. Of course it is Yahoo, so grain of salt.
One thing that stands out to me is that most of the bad moves seem to involve vets taken to try to win some games in the near term. Reddick, Bledsoe and Adams all fall into this camp. Although I think Adams (but NOT his extension) was necessary before Jax woke up and began developing.
This makes me kind of wary of those pushing to try to gin up the "we have to get a lot better right away" narrative.
One thing that stands out to me is that most of the bad moves seem to involve vets taken to try to win some games in the near term. Reddick, Bledsoe and Adams all fall into this camp. Although I think Adams (but NOT his extension) was necessary before Jax woke up and began developing.
This makes me kind of wary of those pushing to try to gin up the "we have to get a lot better right away" narrative.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:58 pm to Fun Bunch
No lies detected.
Honestly sounds exactly like the piece I would have written if I were summing up the Griff era.
Outside of the AD trade and lucking into Zion it’s basically been one misstep after another and everything this offseason already feels like a continuation of that.
Griff has a lot to prove and it blows my mind the people that are still coming to this board every day looking to carry his water for free
Honestly sounds exactly like the piece I would have written if I were summing up the Griff era.
Outside of the AD trade and lucking into Zion it’s basically been one misstep after another and everything this offseason already feels like a continuation of that.
Griff has a lot to prove and it blows my mind the people that are still coming to this board every day looking to carry his water for free
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