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Yahoo article puts Griffin and the FO a bit on blast.

Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:35 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:35 am
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Griffin and his front office were handed the golden ticket in Zion Williamson and sucked the Lakers dry of assets to land Davis via trade, but hardly any move after that has gone according to plan. Instead of using the No. 4 overall pick in the draft and taking a player like DeAndre Hunter, who played an impactful, if not heavily abbreviated, role on a Hawks team that made the Eastern Conference Finals, the team opted for more assets via trade with Atlanta to land Jaxson Hayes and Nickeil Alexander-Walker.

The team waived Christian Wood, who would go on to have a breakout season in Detroit and earn a $41 million contract the following offseason, that offseason. Derrick Favors became a stopgap solution at center and JJ Redick was a surprise signing as the team tried to stay competitive.

Neither move helped as the Pelicans again missed the playoffs with Gentry taking the fall as he was fired on August 15. An exhaustive head coaching search saw Stan Van Gundy hired on October 22, seen as the man to take the team to the next level.



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Again straddling the line between rebuilding and competing, the team acquired two more veterans in trades, handing an extension to Steven Adams while also taking Eric Bledsoe back in the Jrue Holiday trade. Again, the team failed to make the playoffs, struggling every step of the way of the season.

In a move no one expected, Van Gundy was ousted in mid-June, some eight months after joining the franchise. Days later, a report of an unhappy Zion Williamson should have served as the smelling salts to a staggering front office. Instead, weeks later, interviews have been conducted but all that has amounted to is one of their top candidates, Jacque Vaughn, backing out.

Once more, a lengthy search for a head coach does not mean a front office is without direction or moving in the wrong one. Oftentimes, it means the opposite. But the Pelicans will once again be hiring a head coach that will likely have little input on their draft pick and limited input on free agency.

The latter of those is even more important. New Orleans has a number of difficult and important decisions to make with its roster. If the team hopes to retain Lonzo Ball and Josh Hart, two of the players in the Davis trade, they will need to either enter the luxury tax for the first time in franchise history or shed one of the two players acquired last summer in Adams and Bledsoe.

None of this is to mention the fringe moves that have gone awry. Nicolo Melli was handed a multi-year deal the same summer the team parted with Wood. It never clicked and Melli is out of the league and heading back to Europe after his brief two-season stint.

The franchise seemingly nuked the bridge between itself and Redick, a did potential damage with Creative Artists Agency, midseason by promising the veteran guard a buyout before dealing him in the final moments before the trade deadline mid-season.

All this is being done, now, with a clock ticking in the background on Williamson. After seeing Chris Paul and Davis both force their way out of New Orleans and with the league moving toward a player empowerment era, Williamson’s situation is under a microscope. Transactions will be measured by how it impacts Williamson’s future with the franchise, fair or foul.

Now, each wrong roster move, each day that passes without a coach, each time a coach is sacrificed, another chip is added to the stack. Right now, the stack is growing at an alarming rate.

Perhaps the Pelicans get lucky, land on the right number at the roulette table, the stack cashes out big and the franchise enters a golden generation led by Williamson. Waiting for the right head coach, whether it be Willie Green with the Suns or Charles Lee with the Bucks, would go some way ensuring that future is bright.

But can a franchise with so many miscues in the last two years continue to be given the benefit of the doubt?


Pretty succinct breakdown of the missteps over the past two years and the cloud surrounding us.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:52 am to
NO PATIENCE

Again, they’ve ousted themselves continuing to compare the currently completely different head to toe organization to the one here for Davis/Paul. They’re just not even comparable. None of the major people are the same. So just more of the same regurgitated “ohhh Nola they all leave” schtick.

I’ve said it til I’m blue in the face. Griffin was never in a rush to go balls to the wall making long term decisions. And I was fine with it.

They have to have more success this season hands down, but, I can’t take anyone seriously saying it SHOULD have happened by now. I’ve loved the focus on team building and keeping us flexible to make any decisions we want to when we do decide to go all in.

No one is going to convince me that last offseason, the one where:
Gentry let go (who everyone was fine with by the way)
Transaction period lasted all of two weeks
We just had the #1 overall pick season before
Zion only played 20 games and looked horrible in the bubble
Team completely gutted of any player remaining from last regime
Five 1st/2nd year players on the team

I mean, THAT is really when you guys thought this front office really should have started immediately going all in? I just don’t see it man. I’d rather the flexibility we have now still. And all the hand wringing about it is just so tiresome and hindsight filled.

Think about it. What changed since then? Zion playing like a God this early already. That’s really it. And that’s fine. Now that he’s shown he really is that dude, it’s go time. Start using that war chest. But it wasn’t last year.

Posted by LesGeaux45
Member since Nov 2009
9232 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:55 am to
I'm pretty surprised The Lonzo Wire didn't say the cure for what ails us is Lonzo at 5/$125M
Posted by MeanWeen225
Member since Nov 2020
253 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:56 am to
Everything they are saying is correct. We could have had starting lineup of Lonzo, Deandre Hunter, BI, Zion and Christian Wood. Instead somehow we ended with Lonzo, Bledsoe, BI, Zion and Steven Adams. Unless we made some huge moves, this should be Griff's last year.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61492 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:59 am to
Griff has definitely squandered more margin for error than most of us would have thought possible.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115739 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:08 am to
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NO PATIENCE


The second we won Zion there was no time for patience. The media wasn’t going to allow it. You saw what happened when we won the lottery? Zion should refuse! Zion should go back to school! He won’t resign! He will sign the QO in 4 years!

If we had gotten Ja, no one would care if we took years to rebuild. Look at OKC with SGA. No one cares that they are openly tanking.

But Zion, the clock was ticking day 1. And Griffin thought he has the time to tear down, take his time and rebuild. Every other GM ever has had that time.

He was wrong.

There’s no time for mistakes. Every move from here on out has to work.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10388 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:09 am to
Hunter played 23 game this year brah. They went on their run when he was out while inserting Bogdon into the starting line up.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:18 am to
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The second we won Zion there was no time for patience. The media wasn’t going to allow it. You saw what happened when we won the lottery? Zion should refuse! Zion should go back to school! He won’t resign! He will sign the QO in 4 years!

See that’s the difference. I don’t give a shite. This is the 3rd time they’ve done it. And they’ll continue to do it. We’re New Orleans, they’re never going to give us the benefit of the doubt. This will always happen.

What you’re failing to understand is they just keep repackaging the same article over and over and over and over again with a different coat of paint. You can keep getting worked up over it or just ignore it. It’s really that simple. The local media doing the same shite is annoying AF too.

Guess what? If Zion leaves he’s going to leave. I’m not going bitch and moan about it the whole time he’s here. And if he does want out? Guess who gets likely the richest trade return in the history of the league? The Pels.

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But Zion, the clock was ticking day 1. And Griffin thought he has the time to tear down, take his time and rebuild. Every other GM ever has had that time.

That’s cool, and more hindsight because last offseason all the talk i remember was Zion was fat and out of shape and will he be able to last a full season?

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There’s no time for mistakes. Every move from here on out has to work.

That’s fine, and I agree. The margin for error is down to a razor. But 90% of that is the national media that won’t stop screaming about omggggg Zions gonna leave.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:19 am to
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Hunter played 23 game this year brah. They went on their run when he was out while inserting Bogdon into the starting line up.


BUT WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN AND SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED HIM INSTEAD. AND WE SHOULD HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL TO TELL US HOW TO DRAFT PERFECTLY

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115739 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:24 am to
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I don’t give a shite.


Cool. Your opinion means nothing.

Zion and his family’s does and it appears they do give a shite. A whole lot.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:30 am to
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Zion and his family’s does and it appears they do give a shite. A whole lot.


And they’ve obviously made it clear what they want done. There’s a reason the whole story came out when it did. And there’s also a reason you haven’t heard anything since besides continued regurgitation of it.

Hire a coach, make some moves, and LFG. Ya’ll gotta stop with this bullshite worrying stuff man. Enjoy a legendary talent while he’s here. If he doesn’t wanna be, I’ll be cool.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17838 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:46 am to
After this upcoming season, I will be shocked if anyone still argues that trading #4 for Hayes, NAW, and Didi was anything other than pure brilliance.

Everyone knew that Hayes was the very definition of a project, and yet he's a project that is developing very nicely. If he and NAW have the kind of offseason that I think they will, then they are going to have breakout seasons next year. Yeah, no patience.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115739 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:48 am to
I’m actually 100% cool with that trade and don’t consider it a “misstep”. All 3 look like they will be contributors or even starters.
Posted by Honest Man
Member since Feb 2021
1016 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:50 am to
That's what I'm saying. I hate these hindsight articles. The truth is no one knows how players in the NBA will translate so to say "we could have should have" is crap
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278385 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:02 am to
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I’ve said it til I’m blue in the face. Griffin was never in a rush to go balls to the wall making long term decisions. And I was fine with it.




They werent rushing but they have tried to win, and they have had the pieces to win more, and it’s been misstep after misstep. Nothing worst then an apologist
Posted by LesGeaux45
Member since Nov 2009
9232 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:12 am to
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After this upcoming season, I will be shocked if anyone still argues that trading #4 for Hayes, NAW, and Didi was anything other than pure brilliance.

Everyone knew that Hayes was the very definition of a project, and yet he's a project that is developing very nicely. If he and NAW have the kind of offseason that I think they will, then they are going to have breakout seasons next year. Yeah, no patience


Yeah I think drafting, along with extracting maximum value in "sell" trades, looks more and more like a strong-suit for this FO. They definitely need to prove they've figured out this whole hiring a coach thing though
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:13 am
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:17 am to
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They werent rushing but they have tried to win, and they have had the pieces to win more, and it’s been misstep after misstep. Nothing worst then an apologist

They tried to win but never gave up considerable assets or flexibility to do it. There is a huge difference between going all in and just staying competitive. It’s insane for anyone to say that the former should have happened already.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:19 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66492 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:18 am to
I agree. When Griffin was hired and we had the #1 pick all he talked about was organically growing around Zion in a sustainable way.

We had just blown it trying to go all in over and over to put a team around Davis and he hated building that unsustainable Cleveland team.

And the SECOND Zion looks like a star were right back to demanding he cash it all in because we’re afraid Zion will somehow push his way out of his damn rookie contract.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:20 am to
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And the SECOND Zion looks like a star were right back to demanding he cash it all in because we’re afraid Zion will somehow push his way out of his damn rookie contract.

Which again, is fine and fair NOW that he has. But the conversation around Zion this offseason is 100% different than last year. And no ones admitting that.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:21 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66492 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:23 am to
I still think it’s dumb. Everyone, including Zion, is being short sighted. We aren’t 1piece away from winning a championship.

Zion isn’t dragging this team to the finals like Young Lebron in Cleveland

Selling out now to lose in the second round because Zion is 21 and not ready to be the main piece of a championship team is short sighted when you have a mountain of assets coming right when Zion starts to enter his prime.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:29 am
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