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Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:44 am to cfish140
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I guess I should have said his most inconsistent scoring year as a pel
Which may be a good thing for this team and why we’re also winning since Zion is the more efficient scorer and other 3 point shooters are taking thise shots. But again the question becomes should we expect more out of BI from a scoring efficiency standpoint? I would say yes- and the fact he still struggles taking and hitting 3s is a concern.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:08 am to Pels_Yaz
Herb and Trey. I loved them in the draft, we picked them and I was right. They’re also just awesome people that are so easy to root for
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:19 am to Balsamic_duck
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Herb and Trey. I loved them in the draft, we picked them and I was right. They’re also just awesome people that are so easy to root for
+1. Same could be said for Jose
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:43 am to Broski
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I know that being an LSU fan and Pels fans isn't necessarily a 100% overlap on a venn diagram, but who would've thought that an Alabama-product would be the fanbase's consensus favorite Pels player?
I think some of the hatred for Alabama started dying down on January 10. That was obviously a huge factor in things. The other major part, I think, was that later day Gump fans who came along in a post Steve Spurrier world and mimicked the arrogance of 90s-00s Nuevo riche Gator fans.
Prior to that, even under Bryant, Bama fans weren’t that bad. Most Bama players were likable.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:24 am to Jamohn
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Herb has surpassed David West as my favorite player in franchise history
Herb is probably on par with D West and Jrue for me right now. West put in 8 gritty, hard nose years and Jrue loved this city and was so underappreciated. I love all three of them for many of the same reasons.
Edit: I think I still have to go Jrue and D West all-time but definitely Herb currently.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:48 am to Pels_Yaz
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But again the question becomes should we expect more out of BI from a scoring efficiency standpoint? I would say yes- and the fact he still struggles taking and hitting 3s is a concern.
I'm not sure what your looking at, but BI's scoring is super efficient. His scoring output is really based on his attempts that have dipped while his assists are up. All this shite about BI deferring to Zion is such a loser mentality. BI and Zion defer to each other, as well as, to their teammates. They've deferred to Herb, TM3 and allowed them to emerge which has been great for this team, and makes them more dangerous.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:57 pm to Pistol44
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All this shite about BI deferring to Zion is such a loser mentality. BI and Zion defer to each other, as well as, to their teammates. They've deferred to Herb, TM3 and allowed them to emerge which has been great for this team, and makes them more dangerous.
Ok simple question does our team’s offense center around BI or Zion? The majority of the game are we running point BI or point Zion? Its obvious we’re running point Zion- wether you like it to hear it or not- BI is deferring to point Zion for the benefit of this team.
In regards to BI’s efficiency- his whole game is built around the most inefficient shot in basketball.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:14 pm to Pels_Yaz
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In regards to BI’s efficiency- his whole game is built around the most inefficient shot in basketball
If you're talking midrange, he's one of the league's most efficient at that shot. Nice to have in your bag once NBA players start playing defense ramping up to the postseason. Appears from your post you are more a fan of a player than the team, which is ok but often disqualifies you from team assessments.
Look, some on this board, and it seems the local media, are on this weird BI-Zion shite. A lot are eating their words right now with the team playing .600+ ball. The NBA game is super talented and competitive and is often won or lost on the margins. This ain't 2K Yaz.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:29 pm to Pistol44
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If you're talking midrange, he's one of the league's most efficient at that shot. Nice to have in your bag once NBA players start playing defense ramping up to the postseason. Appears from your post you are more a fan of a player than the team, which is ok but often disqualifies you from team assessments. Look, some on this board, and it seems the local media, are on this weird BI-Zion shite. A lot are eating their words right now with the team playing .600+ ball. The NBA game is super talented and competitive and is often won or lost on the margins. This ain't 2K Yaz.
Im not hating on BI. I actually applaud his playmaking and defense. I even think its great hes deferring for the betterment of the team. Instead you take this as criticism of BI- which makes me think you care more about BI than you do about this team. This team being more Zion centric is better for this team- even though its hard for BI fans like you to accept.
Being super efficient at the most non efficient shot in basketball doesn’t make you an efficient scorer by the way. You’re right this isn’t 2k and in the real NBA there are pecking orders on how teams are configured. BI is now deferring this as Zions team- I’m all for that and happy he’s accepted his role.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:44 pm to Pistol44
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Look, some on this board, and it seems the local media, are on this weird BI-Zion shite. A lot are eating their words right now with the team playing .600+ ball.
The Zion/BI stuff was not manufactured by fans or media. It was manufactured by the organization leading into this season. It is obvious to everyone that Zion is the best player on the team, should be the offensive focal point, and is the player that unlocks the highest ceiling of this team. The organization chose to run with the narrative of BI being the primary playmaker in the preseason. It was the organization who allowed BI to be the primary initiator for the first half of the season with Zion standing in the corner much more than he should have. Don't blame fans and media for making it a talking point.
I have been one since the preseason who has been hammering the team for choosing to start the season by going that route. (I still think it is ludicrous that BI gets announced last in the starting lineup). However, I have not seen one negative post about this in the last month. It is no coincidence that this team is now playing its basketball now that its best player is being used properly. I do think BI should be commended on how he has adjusted to his new role. He has improved defensively and is playmaking at the best level of his career. He has contributed greatly to this team achieving the level it has this year, especially recently.
The team will face some adversity in the next few weeks. Let's see if Z and BI can lean into the new roles and be successful. I am much more hopeful than I was 3 months ago.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:54 pm to Sauce Castieaux
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You also dont get any extra bullshite with him. He aint about markets and stardom. We dont have to worry if he wants to be there or weight issues (sorry for the crossfire Zion)
He is just a dude.
Honestly, you could say the same things about Ingram....
Posted on 3/19/24 at 2:23 pm to Pistol44
quote:Dwade has talked extensively about how year 1 of the Heatles didn't work because i was two #1s taking turns with no hierarchy, and in the offseason he made the decision to defer to Lebron and let Lebron be the clearcut #1 the following season.
All this shite about BI deferring to Zion is such a loser mentality.
We aren't on the same level as that team, but a similar thing certainly appears to be taking place since the break. 1st half of the season it was either BI #1 or just kinda taking turns but the team had no true identity. Since the break, the identity is established and extremely clear, Zion is the guy. BI has deferred, and taking less shots than Zion, which never happened before. And it's not something that appears to be randomly happening, it is very intentional in terms of the change.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 2:24 pm to Granola
Zion
we love the “underappareciated” players so much when we barely appreciate our franchise player.
we love the “underappareciated” players so much when we barely appreciate our franchise player.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 2:36 pm to SammyTiger
YouTube short of Herb denying CP3’s help
Herb is a dawg but Zion is still the answer for me. Love when he makes a big play and roars
Herb is a dawg but Zion is still the answer for me. Love when he makes a big play and roars
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:35 pm to Pels_Yaz
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even though its hard for BI fans like you to accept
For sure you believe that. Facts are that Pels has been consistent all year and have had an uptick over the last 20% of the schedule that has an awful lot to do with TM3 shooting at ridiculous distances (not the most efficient shot by the way ... .
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:48 pm to Pistol44
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For sure you believe that. Facts are that Pels has been consistent all year and have had an uptick over the last 20% of the schedule that has an awful lot to do with TM3 shooting at ridiculous distances (not the most efficient shot by the way ... . but it sure opens the floor). A large part of TM3 surge has been due to BI and Zion allowing him to grow in the offense (or deferring). Back to the main point, you shouldn't conflate an inefficient shot with an inefficient player.
Facts are the pels are playing their best basketball because they have fully embraced Point Zion which means BI deferring and Zion also getting more open shots for TM3. TM3 shooting open 3s are efficient shots in our offense- he maybe takes one or two that are a bit too deep but he’s making them and it creates more space. Everybody acknowledges this- but I guess it must be really hard for you to acknowledge that this team thriving because of Zion.
So your main point is saying that a player who loves shooting an inefficient shot should not be equated to being inefficient? Show me where thats the case? Saying you’re doing really good at something that is overall inefficient IS NOT efficiency. I don’t know why its hard for you to understand. Now how hes playing lately- decreasing shots, playmaking and defense- makes him a much better player than someone who jacking a high volume shots mostly from mid range.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 3:49 pm
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