re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread

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Once again, are we trying to accumulate assets or win games? 

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This is the question and there's really 3 answers.

Are you making a move for the big splash? Mitchell/ Trae

Are you wanting to build a fit while maintaining assets?
Murray + picks, Eric

Are you trying to build fit while maintaining assets for a big splash at another time?

Booker, etccc.

I personally would like to add a defensive C + facilitating PG without losing assets and/ or acquiring additional assets.

That way we can see how the team flows with a legit plan/ identity and have the war chest to make the right decision.

Use BI to fill holes and gain assets > making the big move. (For now)

I'd rather see how a complete team with chemistry/ set roles flow before we use the war chest.

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Is Fox "available" in an Ingram trade?
Where would you rank him with Garland/Murray/Trae?

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Fox would be first for me, and i've mentioned him and the Kings before. They are kind of stuck in no mans land. They either need to go all in to get a 2nd star to play with Fox on the perimeter, or they need to do a bit of a soft rebuild. This is where you maybe send BI to Detroit or Charlotte or Houston for the 1st this year to send to the Kings. Same idea as i just posted with Bridges and the Nets.

Fox is not a #1 guy. He's close, but he can't lead a contender. He'd be a great #2 for us.

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I don't think the Kings would really consider moving Fox, they balked at moving him even before his stock went up

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They've been extremely healthy the last 2 years and won 46 and 48 games.
Like i said, either they need to make a big change to add a key perimeter player to get them over the hump, or they need to rebuild.
If anything I'd say they should be looking to add BI to Fox/Sabonis, but all they really have to trade is Keegan Murray, and that's not really what i'd like back with a BI trade. Murray is similar to Trey but not as good as Trey.

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Shamit threw out an Ingram + pick(s) for Fox swap with the Kings. I hadn't really considered Fox as a target, but Sacramento kind of has the same dynamic going as the Pels only with more desperation because they didn't even make the playoffs with their top 2 guys healthy. Shamit's justification from the Kings side is they just move Monk into Fox's role.

- While not ideal, that doesn't seem crazy.
- The Kings should be desperate.
- The Pels have tried to trade for Fox before.

Is Fox "available" in an Ingram trade?
Where would you rank him with Garland/Murray/Trae?

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I doubt Fox is available. Their issue with signing Monk is fitting him into their salary structure. BI for Fox does not save them any cap space and creates another large deal when BI extends. Not realistic IMO.

The only Kings trade in a two team deal that would move me would be Ingram, Dyson and Nance for Murray, Barnes, Huerter, 13 and 2027 1st

Flip Barnes and 13 for Allen, sign Tyus Jones with MLE, sign best available Center with BAE, sign Karlo

CJ/Jones/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Ryan
Trey/Huerter/#21
Zion/Murray/EJ
Allen/BAE/Karlo

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Fox to NOLA. Indy rightly insisted on Halliburton and the Pels moved on to CJ.

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I appreciate CJ and everything hes done but Fox would give this team a completely different dynamic.

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Remember Solomon Hill? I think he’s better,

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You think Solomon Hill was better than Nembhard?

Wolves: Ingram, 21

Pistons: KAT

Magic: CJ, Nance

Hawks: Ivey, Dyson, #5, 2027 Pistons 1st, 2026 Pels 1st

Pels: Young, Stewart, WCJ, AJ Griffin

Why wolves do it: It saves them a bunch of money to get under the second apron to keep Naz and bring back NAW

Why Detroit does it: They get a vet big man they can sell to the fanbase as a high level star player

Why Magic does it: They get a guard they desperately need while not giving up much

Why Hawks do it: They begin a retool/rebuild with two high picks, two additional picks, and two young talents, while shedding a bunch of money. They still can move on from Murray and Capella and get even more picks

Why Pels do it: Get a legitimate star level player to put alongside Zion as his running mate, and a guy that can take over games and win games for you. Also solidifies the big man rotation with two guys who shoot the 3, and add another upside shooter in AJ. It kills our PG depth sending out CJ and Dyson, but we also save 12 million and end up 30 million under the tax, so we have plenty of ways to add back to that. It maybe a slight overpay sending out BI, CJ, Dyson, Nance and 2 picks, but it doesn’t kill our depth nor our stash of picks.

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I don't mind giving up a lot to get Trae, but BI and 2 1sts are enough i would think for Trae. CJ/Dyson are worth a lot more than Stewart/WCJ

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It’s definitely an overpay, but I feel like to get our target and round out the roster with 2 bigs that can shoot the ball and space the floor while saving money it’s worth that extra 1st. We could maybe get away without sending the 2026 1st and only sending out #21, but if we have to add another 1st to get our target I wouldn’t care

We also keep the flexibility to add to the roster with the MLE and BAE and still have plenty of money left to sign Naji to an inflated deal and use him as a salary trade chip for later in the season like we did with Hart.

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CJ/Dyson are worth a lot more than Stewart/WCJ

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This I’m not to sure about, it’s possible but so far I view Dyson as a bust, so maybe my opinion on his value is lower than yours.