re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread

Like i said, i don't mind overpaying for Trae.

The overpay seems to be for Stewart/WCJ.
CJ and Dyson should get you Jarrett Allen. I wouldn't mind Stewart, but if we had him then i don't want to pay for WCJ. I'd rather Nance than WCJ, so i don't want to give up assets to get a guy that i don't think is any better than Larry. And yes i understand that the point of moving CJ to Orlando is to save money, but the last time we used the MLE on a FA was Julius Randle, so I'm not banking on using the MLE to bring in someone decent.



To me i don't want to spend much money on the 5 position. If we are goign to win a championship, it will be with a lineup of Herb/Trey/Zion and another 6'8" perimeter player to go with whoever replaces BI as the scorer. We aren't closing games with WCJ, or Stewart, or even Jarrett Allen. Zion using his body to defend big 5's is what will give us the highest chance at success. Having Trey and some other similar perimeter player who isn't afraid to challenge guys at the rim is the ideal closing lineup.
Pay for one 5, like Stewart, draft another, keep Zeller. Invest in that closigg 6'8" guy that can also switch and guard perimeter guys. Isaac isn't a perimeter guy like Trey, but i know he can defend in isolation better than any other big. I'd much rather him than WCJ, and would pay more to get him.

I've mentioned it a few times, but if we found a way to get Paul George and Dejounte Murray, and we could close teams with Murray/Herb/Trey/PG/Zion, that's a championship level team that would be extremely difficult to score on if Zion accepts the challenge of using that body to guard bigger guys. Doesn't need to do it the whole game b/c there's no way teams should be able to play big against that lineup, except Jokic and Embiid. No other big would provide enough offense to offset the defense.

CJ and 3 firsts to Clippers for PG
BI to Hawks for Murray and Okongwu
Send Okongwu to Jazz for Kessler to save money. Keep Nance and Zeller

Murray/Jose
Herb/Dyson/Hawkins
PG/Trey/Naji
Zion
Kessler/Larry/Zeller

Kessler and Larry 30-40 minutes at the 5.
PG/Trey play the 4 when Zion is out or playing the 5.
Sucks Trey is coming off the bench again, but he's playing 30mpg and closing the game.

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This I’m not to sure about, it’s possible but so far I view Dyson as a bust, so maybe my opinion on his value is lower than yours.

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why is he a bust? he's already one of the best defenders in the league. He's 20 years old and his shot looks like it will eventually come around and be a league average 3 point shooter. He's scared to finish at the rim for some reason, but his floater is great.

I would'nt trade Dyson for WCJ straight up, and i'd be hesitant to even do it for Stewart straight up. Stewart isn't even that much bigger than Dyson, he's just stronger and slower. I'd have more confidence in Dyson guarding opposing 4's than i would Stewart.

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The 8th pick in the draft should be further along than this in his development, which is why he is considered a bust right now IMO.

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No way he's a bust.

Johnny Davis is a bust.

EJ Lidell is a bust.

Ochai Obagi is a bust.

Ousmane Dieng is a bust.

I'd argue Jabari Smith is more of a bust than Dyson based on where he was picked too.

Board favorite, the retarded Shaedon Sharpe isn't exactly lighting it up either.

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I'd argue Jabari Smith is more of a bust than Dyson based on where he was picked too.

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Well you would easily lose that argument- Jabari is not close to a bust.

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Board favorite, the retarded Shaedon Sharpe isn't exactly lighting it up either.

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Because he was injured majority of the year- when he did play he lit it up.

Both these players are coveted by people in the league more than Dyson. Hard to use them as comparisons.

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He's 20 years old

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Same age as 2024 draft picks and he has two years of NBA experience. His defense is second only to Herb.

His offense has shown progress and i believe will become serviceable as a starter on the right team. Easier to learn to shoot than it is to learn innate defensive skills.

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Well you would easily lose that argument- Jabari is not close to a bust.

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Ehh. Jabari was the projected #1 pick all year until the last week or 2 before the draft.
Paolo looks like an all-star and future all-nba player. That's the expectation for a guy drafted #1 and he's living up to it. Chet is in a similar boat as the #2 pick, and living up to it.
as the #3 pick, and a guy that could have gone #1, you have mostly similar expectations, and Jabari doesn't look anywhere near that all-star caliber player.


I think those are the kind of expectations when drafted 1-3, maybe 4 depending on the year and draft class.
I don't hold high expectations for any other draft pick. You just hope you get a starter or role player everywhere else.
Jabari's a good player, but he definitely doesn't look like he was worthy of the #3 pick, and the Magic and Thunder were right in their draft assessment that year.
I think Jabari had a much higher expectation than Keegan Murray who went 4th, yet they look like very similar role players at this time, not future stars.

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Stewart is one of the more physical players in the league dude. First three plays, Block on Giannis, drive past Embiid after getting ran off the 3, and double block on AD

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I didn't say i didn't like the guy. I'd love to get Stewart. He's a dog and i love guys with that kind of motor. I've loved him since he wanted to kick LeBitches arse for being a bitch and intentionally elbowing him in the face.

All i'm saying is he's not going to help create space just b/c he shoots 37% from 3.
If we were starting Trae/Herb/Trey/Zion/Stewart, i can guaratee you the defense would be extremely satisfied with a defensive possession that stopped Trae and Zion in the paint and had Stewart shooting a 3 as someone ran out to him. That would be their most ideal defensive possession that wasn't a turnover.
And that's not me saying i don't want him, just saying no one is letting Zoin go to the lane one on one without help. That's a 70% 2 point shot more than likely, 140 ORtg compared to a 40% 3 point shooter with his 120 ORtg.

I don't know man. That salary and he's just such a doofus

I agree. Who are guys who COULD raise the ceiling?

Mitchell
Fox
Trae

Trae is the only one I see attainable.

It's why I'm not totally against trading Ingram for picks.

Get an OKC sized warchase and use it all at the deadline for a real star.