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Chad504boy
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Feb 2005
132325 posts

re: The Compromise
Can’t be true. National media says it’s cause we haven’t won a championship (like so many teams have) therefore we don’t deserve him.


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corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
9267 posts

re: The Compromise
Ziller piece arguing the Pels shouldn't worry about Davis because he's already gone.

Not sure I buy his thesis (I think a Davis/Zion pairing is worth going for), but I did love this passage

quote:

Now the Pelicans can focus on putting the right team around Williamson, their new foundational star. New Orleans doesn’t have to game out how to turn Davis and the other roster pieces into a superstar. That’s done now. It’s all about avoiding a repeat of the last seven years, an era in which a generational star was essentially wasted by the Pelicans franchise.

This victory means clarity for the Pelicans. David Griffin, the team’s new front office chief, knows exactly what he has and needs to decide what the team needs now. Instead of trading Davis for bites at the superstar apple, he can, if he chooses, try to add complimentary young stars around Williamson. Instead of leaning into a multi-year tank — if that was ever even in the cards in a small market that relies on ticket sales to come close to penciling out the books — Griffin can start to build now.


The single hardest part of Griffin's job was handled by the lottery gods on Tuesday. They've got their superstar in a post Davis world.


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Overbrook
Tulane Fan
Member since May 2013
5072 posts

re: The Compromise
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AD agrees to opt into 2020-21. Griffin has a full year to show him how different things are and how he can win here long term. Next summer, AD then can either sign the supertax extension or request a trade if he still wants one and Griff won't fight him.

That's not worth the risk. It leaves the Pels with nothing, and starting over with Zion, in 2 years. AD gives up very little in that scenario so it really isn't much of a compromise either.


higgsBoson
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Democratic Party
Member since Jan 2012
889 posts

re: The Compromise
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That's not worth the risk. It leaves the Pels with nothing, and starting over with Zion, in 2 years. AD gives up very little in that scenario so it really isn't much of a compromise either.


Next season is 2019-2020. AD would opt into the year after which means next summer we’re in the exact same situation we’re in now. Trading AD with a full year left on his contract.


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Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts

re: The Compromise
I don't think you understand the premise


Overbrook
Tulane Fan
Member since May 2013
5072 posts

re: The Compromise
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I don't think you understand the premise

Well, correct me where I am wrong. AD agrees to move everything back a year, which ties him to 2 more years with the Pels. Is that correct?
Problems/risks
1)It puts the Pels into a forced "go for it" mode right now. We've seen that show before. (and I realize Griffin would likely execute it smoother than Demps did).
2)A year from now, the Pels would be in the same position with AD. But what may not be here a year from now are 2 major market teams, with the #3 and #4 picks willing to pay big for AD. The Knicks and Lakers will make moves this summer and are likely to be better a year from now. A year from now it will probably be he Cavs, Bulls and Suns sitting at the top of the draft and they aren't going to trade for 1 year of AD because he won't sign long term with them.
3)2021 picks are particularly valuable; and they will be even more valuable a year from now, so it will be tougher to wrench them from the teams holding them.
This post was edited on 5/16 at 7:13 am


Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts

re: The Compromise
Read the last post on page 7.

No, it's not "go for it" mode and selling the future for short term.

Also, I could argue the trade packages next summer would be better. This summer there are several options when it comes to adding a superstar. Next summer every single superstar will be under contract and stable. He would be the only superstar you could possibly acquire next summer and 29 teams would have just not won the title


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STEVED00
North Carolina St. Fan
Metairie, LA
Member since May 2007
15949 posts

re: The Compromise
I think your missing the point of what will those other 29 teams be willing to give for AD.

Boston and NYK are in the position of moving some very valuable pieces in the hopes on grouping a few super stars together.

As you said above, all the big ticket guys will be locked up next year except for AD so there will be little movement of stars. The only enticing thing will be high draft picks. I don’t know if a team that sucked the year before will trade the top pick for AD without being able to lock him up.


Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts

re: The Compromise
I don't agree. I see how teams panic when they don't win the title. They go into the offseason and go - How do we improve the roster enough to truly think we have a chance to win the title next year, because this clearly isn't good enough?"

And if they ask themselves that and there is no other needle moving player available and none on the horizon for 2021, they get desperate.

If AD is on the market, I don't care when it is, the return package will be significant. Yes, it might be 10% less than the maximum package we can get now. It also could be 10% more. So, maybe the question is: Would you be willing to risk a slightly smaller package for the significantly raised chance to keep AD and to at least see if AD and Zion could work?

I would. I don't always want to wonder what it could have been while I watch Tatum bricking iso pull ups


higgsBoson
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Democratic Party
Member since Jan 2012
889 posts

re: The Compromise
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Would you be willing to risk a slightly smaller package for the significantly raised chance to keep AD and to at least see if AD and Zion could work?


Exactly. Looking at all the trades proposed there is a very small chance any of them yield a player as good as AD in the long or short term. Getting a chance at keeping AD is worth the risk.


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TigerinATL
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Feb 2005
50731 posts

re: The Compromise
When we had discussed the implications of AD possibly signing the extension I had doubts about how good a future market would be too, even if AD's value is technically higher. The problem in the future is you are less likely to be able to get rebuild assets. But thanks to the lottery the Pels no longer need turn AD into a young star.

Does that mean you get a lesser return in the future than now? Maybe, but you are taking that risk to see if AD/Zion can work. Defensively they should be fantastic, espeically if you add a Brogdon like you've proposed.

Brogdon
Jrue
Kenrich
Zion
AD

That 5 can defend and switch any 5 man lineup you can throw out there.


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jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
1336 posts

re: The Compromise
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Would you be willing to risk a slightly smaller package for the significantly raised chance to keep AD and to at least see if AD and Zion could work?


Answer: No
Reason: Spite

but the team didn't even reply to my email application to be POBO or GM so......


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Hazelnut
LA-Lafayette Fan
Choclate City
Member since May 2011
14953 posts

re: The Compromise
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You guys have to stop thinking about things like "How far the Pelicans go" is the end all/be all that would win him over or not. That was not his biggest problem. And results are sometimes luck based Griffin wants to prove to him that the organization as a whole is different. The way they do everything, from their facilities to their strength and conditioning and rehab processes to their transparacy with players. Management and coaching staffs being on the same page. Think about your job, wherever you work. Yes, it is a very awesome feeling when your business succeeds. Better to be the #1 bank in the city than #3. But thats not the lone thing that makes you want to stay at your job or leave it. Its the environment in the building. Its upper management giving you the resources you need to do your job well. Its being able to walk into your bosses office and have an open conversation. Its freedom to express your opinion and have them taken seriously. I can go on and on. Point is -- It would not be as simple as: Make WCF or better and he stays. Second round exit or earlier and he goes. Doesn't work like that.


And, like those teams that are trying to trade for him because they are confident he will stay after a year on their team, I am confident we will convince AD to stay if he sees how this team is ran going forward. Because I truly believe based on the things I've read from you and heard from Griffin himself that the culture will change for real this time.

Only thing I don't know about is how AD will handle having another guy who will presumably be more liked than him by fans for at least next season. AD may start to feel like he will never be able to make it his team again. Which I think he can do over time. But I don't know if he has the foresight to see that.


STEVED00
North Carolina St. Fan
Metairie, LA
Member since May 2007
15949 posts

re: The Compromise
AD can easily regain support he just has to own it. Go out in front of everyone and say he screwed up and ask for forgiveness.

People can forgive and forget if the person asking for forgiveness appears sincere.


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