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re: the 2020 fake trade thread

Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:42 pm to
Posted by jprdbulldog20
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:42 pm to
Morey traded CP3, Capela, 2020 first, 2024 first, 2026 first, 2021 swap, 2023 swap for Westbrook and Covington.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:43 pm to
Yeah idk wtf Morey is doing. Gave up A LOT for just Covington.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:43 pm to
quote:

Shamit was speculating they're building up their bid for Jrue.
Makes sense.

Seems to me, team morale is the main reason to avoid trading Jrue at this point. He's a leader. The guys really like him, and respect him. JJ came here because of him(and a money). On the court, I really think they'd be fine.

My only problem is, I just don't really like the Denver deal. Now Beasley wouldn't even be in it. You're basically trading Jrue for Gary Harris and picks? I'd pass.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:44 pm to
Yeah I’m not doing a deal with Denver unless MPJ is involved.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:45 pm to
I really like Atlanta's roster. We'll see if it ever actually turns into winning basketball, its early, but I like them.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 6:26 am to
CP3 deal was all Harden. He wanted Paul out. Russ l, at this point, is the anti-Morey player: volume shooting, low efficiency.

Capela is interesting. My guess is they don't think the lose much going small and they also get under the tax line. I also bet the 2nd part drove that deal. Their owner is a shitshow. Doubt Morey sticks around much longer with him
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17651 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 6:45 am to
Houston will get destroyed in the playoffs if they have to face Lakers or Denver

They have zero answer for any kind of size
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 6:47 am to
quote:

They have zero answer for any kind of size


They score and shoot 3’s
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13718 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:48 am to
quote:

Shamit was speculating they're building up their bid for Jrue.
How did he get to that conclusion? I cannot imagine a late 1st is what sends a deal over the edge. Denver really has nothing to trade us.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:38 am to
They'd need to use 1sts to get someone the Pels want if they won't give up MPJ. I came up with a fake 3 way in the Jrue thread

NOLA: Gary Harris, Myles Turner, Jerami Grant
Denver: Jrue
Indy: Derrick Favors, 2 1sts

If Griff is holding out for higher level talent I can understand, but that's a reasonable value for everyone involved.
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:51 am to
I’d do that in a heartbeat and I think Denver would too. I assume Indy would be the only potential hold up
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15021 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:22 am to
Would finally get to see how that Jamal Murray, Jrue backcourt would work out like I wanted years ago, but in Denver :(
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 10:22 am
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48820 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:23 am to
quote:

Updated 2020 NBA cap space projections:

1. Atlanta - $58.6M
2. Memphis - $52.7M
3. New York - $47.2M
4. Phoenix - $26.3M
5. Cleveland - $25.9M
6. Charlotte - $24.9M

Just those six teams with space. Very different summer in 2020 than it was in 2019. Little space + weak FA class.

re: favors' 2020 FA
take ATL off the list
MEM has JV
PHX has baynes & ayton
NYK ???
CLE is rebuilding
CHA is rebuilding

where's the big offer coming from?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130170 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:28 am to
We've seen in the past that if a team wants a player, they find ways to make it work.

But I hear you.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48820 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:31 am to
quote:

NOLA: Gary Harris, Myles Turner, Jerami Grant
Denver: Jrue
Indy: Derrick Favors, 2 1sts

indy gets 2 1sts and favors for turner
denver gets holiday for harris/grant/2 1sts
pels get turner/grant/harris for holiday

you might be a trade machine savant
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48820 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:33 am to
quote:

We've seen in the past that if a team wants a player, they find ways to make it work.

what that means is, that favors' bird rights do have value. that should mean that his value now, at the deadline, surpasses his production/player value
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:36 am to
Does any form of Jrue Holiday for CJ McCollum make any sense for either team?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Does any form of Jrue Holiday for CJ McCollum make any sense for either team?


I think Jrue's shortcomings on offense are a problem today, and McCollum's shortcomings on defense would be a problem tomorrow when Ingram and Zion become more reliable on offense so McCollums strengths don't help as much.

So many issues will either get fixed or become clearer how to address them as Zion/Ingram improve. I hope Griffin is holding out for young talent with Jrue. Because if we trade him for a more offensively skewed version of himself I think we'll regret it in a few years.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30321 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:57 am to
quote:

where's the big offer coming from?



I showed a while back how Miami can very easily make a trade for Jrue and find a way to dump one more contract and be able to offer DeRozan a max. Do you think the Heat care about keeping Herro and Duncan Robinson if it means they can trade for Jrue and sign DeRozan to play with Jimmy?

There are plenty of teams that can create cap space if they want to. hell we could very easily. We are around $100M with Jrue without resigning anyone, including holds for Ingram and 1st round pick and incomplete roster spots. If we traded Jrue for Harris/MPJ (not counting Grant b/c he's an expiring), we are around $95M, which is still around $20M in cap space. Now we could easily resign guys like Favors and Grant and Moore and not have space, but if we wanted it, we could make space very easily, and we can also make uneven trades and take back lots of salary. We could trade Redick in a heartbeat and not take anythign back if we wanted to.
It's not hard for most teams to create a good bit of cap space, if they wan to. Given this FA class, i doubt many teams want to.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48820 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 12:53 pm to
i was talking about favors, dude.
where is the big offer for favors coming from?

certainly not from miami
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