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re: Shamit says it's gonna get worse
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:52 pm to shel311
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:52 pm to shel311
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There are no circumstances here highly sought after players have virtually no market.
It’s not that there is no market for him Shel, just constraints. His leverage, at this point, is a tacit agreement to resign with the Pels trading partner. If its say a Wiz or Jazz trade he doesn’t want, he can dictate a half season rental and hit FA in the off-season. No team wants to lose assets for a half year rental. If Pels want leverage to trade to a team who has assets they want, they’ll have to sign him to a near max contract and with a mutual agreement in place to trade. BI has been consistent in saying he wants to win in NOLA. However that might have changed with Pels and media dogging him for Zion’s shortcomings.
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Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:58 pm to Pistol44
I think that BI came into this season ready to play hard and win, even without a new contract, but the chance to have a successful season is all but gone, and he's decided that he doesn't want to deal with that on a team that won't get him a new bag.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 10:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:
Zion asking to be traded
Or ingram
Or both
I see this as good news
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:28 pm to Pistol44
quote:Here's the thing.. This isn't remotely the first time this has happened with a good player.
It’s not that there is no market for him Shel, just constraints. His leverage, at this point, is a tacit agreement to resign with the Pels trading partner. If its say a Wiz or Jazz trade he doesn’t want, he can dictate a half season rental and hit FA in the off-season. No team wants to lose assets for a half year rental. If Pels want leverage to trade to a team who has assets they want, they’ll have to sign him to a near max contract and with a mutual agreement in place to trade.
The fact is there is no team what BI would like to go to that wants BI. That's not normal for a max dude to have no market. It's just not.
If you're THAT good, the teams you want to go to will not wait and battle other teams in free agency, that's too risky if you're that good. They'll make the trade, extend you, then figure out the rest.
The league and market is telling us right now how much they value BI in this new CBA world.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:52 pm to shel311
I’ve said it a few times, Griff screwed up in the offseason and overvalued him.
No one wanted to hear it, but be prepared for some Lonzo ball 2.0 shite sign and trade in the offseason.
I just don’t see a market him at the deadline. Hope I’m wrong.
No one wanted to hear it, but be prepared for some Lonzo ball 2.0 shite sign and trade in the offseason.
I just don’t see a market him at the deadline. Hope I’m wrong.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:33 am to shel311
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The fact is there is no team what BI would like to go to that wants BI. That's not normal for a max dude to have no market. It's just not.
We’ll all find out shortly. I believe a number of teams have made there interest known. Pels weren’t counting on the Zion drama and are now faced with prospect of losing both Zion and BI and also desperately want to get under the tax. They easily could make a small move to get under the tax, but now have a PR issue on marketing the team to a disgruntled fan base. Pels REALLY need a star to sell to the fanbase and now are in the position of losing two with no star return. Griff is in a tough spot, if org pivots to a star in the draft he knows his days are likely done.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:50 am to Pistol44
Any speculation about what the framework of the deal was with Utah? Shamit said the Pels were deep in trade talks but BI's unwillingness to extend with them killed the deal. I wonder what was on the table.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 3:26 am to Long_Time_Lurker
My money is on John Collins (salary), kessler (center who we needed and who they were dangling - considered value was 2 1sts), and a guy like juzang or George (young potential) with this year's 1st (min or cle) and a 2026 Utah pick.
All things considered that'd give us depth in areas we were weak.
PG: Murray (33)/McCollum (30)/Alvarado (dnp or 15)
SG: Jones (32)/Hawkins (dnp or 15)
SF: Murphy (30)/Juzang (dnp or 15)/Green
PF: Williamson (32)/Collins (30)/JRE
C: Kessler(20)/Missi(18)/Theis
Gets us under the tax, reloading the war chest, and provides depth at pf/c while helping with spacing.
All things considered that'd give us depth in areas we were weak.
PG: Murray (33)/McCollum (30)/Alvarado (dnp or 15)
SG: Jones (32)/Hawkins (dnp or 15)
SF: Murphy (30)/Juzang (dnp or 15)/Green
PF: Williamson (32)/Collins (30)/JRE
C: Kessler(20)/Missi(18)/Theis
Gets us under the tax, reloading the war chest, and provides depth at pf/c while helping with spacing.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 3:31 am
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:23 am to htran90
I doubt it was that much. Maybe like John Collins and a pick or two which is fine with me. Ingram’s trade value is not that high.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 7:06 am to htran90
Missi should be the starting Center no matter who they bring back on any trade.
You dont just bench someone who is averaging a double double and growing at a exponential path.
To put it in perspective, Missi is a respectable jumper away from a Trey Murphy level contract.
You dont just bench someone who is averaging a double double and growing at a exponential path.
To put it in perspective, Missi is a respectable jumper away from a Trey Murphy level contract.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 7:46 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Why would this be bad news? You aren’t winning a championship or contending with a player like BI and Zion can’t stay healthy.
Zion asking to be traded Or ingram Or both
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 7:52 am
Posted on 12/1/24 at 8:08 am to BayouBaw84
If Ingram signs with Klutch, I expect them to say Ingram won’t be signing an extension with any team that trades for him.
He gets to free agency and we lose him for nothing.
He gets to free agency and we lose him for nothing.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 8:27 am to WB504
quote:and that would absolutely be darkly hilarious. Full circle from Davis to Ingram
If Ingram signs with Klutch, I expect them to say Ingram won’t be signing an extension with any team that trades for him.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 8:59 am to Townedrunkard
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I’ve said it a few times, Griff screwed up in the offseason and overvalued him.
No, screwing up would have been giving him the contract he wants.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 9:26 am to Pistol44
Give me the number of 23 5 and 5 players over the past 5 years and then talk. BI may or may not be gone but for sure wasn’t gaslighting the fans about wanting to be in NOLA.
He hasn’t played in 65 games one time in those 5 years. You have to show up in the west to matter.
Ingram’s game has a lot of problems and durability is number 1.
He hasn’t played in 65 games one time in those 5 years. You have to show up in the west to matter.
Ingram’s game has a lot of problems and durability is number 1.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:36 am to J_Hingle
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No, screwing up would have been giving him the contract he wants.
I think what poster is trying to say is Griffin’s inability to accept sunk cost with Ingram in the summer was the screw up. He held onto him and now they’re looking to trade him again. I’m not sure if BIs trade value has really changed. I think we’re going to see a very underwhelming trade for BI coming soon.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:39 am to WB504
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If Ingram signs with Klutch, I expect them to say Ingram won’t be signing an extension with any team that trades for him. He gets to free agency and we lose him for nothing.
And Griff will bend over and play nice with Klutch and we get a 2nd round pick ala Ball in the sign and trade.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:51 am to Townedrunkard
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:52 am to Pels_Yaz
I think we were going to see an underwhelming return on BI no matter when he gets moved.
He apparently scuttled a deal to Utah because he wouldn’t sign an extension and I don’t know how many teams out there would have an interest in him minus an extension.
This is not to defend Griff near as much to point out that moving BI this late has dropped the number of suitors and their bids considerably.
He apparently scuttled a deal to Utah because he wouldn’t sign an extension and I don’t know how many teams out there would have an interest in him minus an extension.
This is not to defend Griff near as much to point out that moving BI this late has dropped the number of suitors and their bids considerably.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:17 pm to J_Hingle
quote:no it’s also screwing up holding on to assets too long resulting in weak returns. Which he has done a few times. Ingram should have been traded two summers ago
No, screwing up would have been giving him the contract he wants.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 12:18 pm
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