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re: Rumors online is Dearron Fox will like to be traded to NOLA

Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:28 am to
Posted by Honest Man
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:28 am to
I'm actually hoping Simmons and Harris for Fox happens because I honestly don't want any of them here. Also it would be awesome to see Simmons stuck in Purgatory hell in Sacramento.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 11:29 am
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:39 am to
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To me there are multiple directions we could potentially add that player, I already listed you one: internal development of Herb.


JMO...I just don't see why we should make a big trade move, unless it's a no-brainer, until we figure out what in the world we have with Herb. He's basically, at the moment, a huge 210 lb blob of "silly putty" and can be probably "molded" into several different possibilities. Won't really know what we "need" until we figure out exactly what we "have"...with Herb.

Having said that, like you, I am worried about the small sample size of Herb's 3-pt shooting. But, as usual, I look for the absolute best angle when talking about Herb so I will throw in that he has actually shot an additional 30 3-pt shots this year which were not in his stats due to his rather odd, and new to me..."foot fault" problem. I'm pretty sure he has shot these 30 FFs at fairly close to his current percentage.

BTW: Going in, I woulda been totally pleased if Herb woulda shot 33-34% on standstill 3s...and I'd be quite happy if he turned out to be a 37-38% long termer, but he continues to surprise me, so who knows?
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:42 am to
Herb will be a hybrid of championship Iguodola and Draymond.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:51 am to
Just to be clear(if the heated exchanges this weekend weren't lol), my ideal path for this season would be to ensure we get out healthy and put more emphasis back on youth development, including letting Herb explore the studio space more.

Cross our fingers in the draft and re-evaluate the landscape then. Whether it is still looking to Fox, maybe, or some additional options open up.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:18 pm to
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I'm actually hoping Simmons and Harris for Fox happens because I honestly don't want any of them here. Also it would be awesome to see Simmons stuck in Purgatory hell in Sacramento.
Still waiting on those links to support your claim in the OP.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:32 pm to
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Fox steps in immediately can run the offense effectively.

Everyone is worried about his shot and what not and I understand the sentiments behind this, but this guy can drive and kick at an elite level. Which is exactly what we need


Everyone is worried about his shot, but they forget...
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De'Aaron averaged the second-most attacks in the paint during the 2020 NBA season, 8.7 per game, while also recording the best field goal percentage at the rim among any guards at 68.9%.


He's top-10 in the league at getting to the rim and top-10 at finishing. This opens up the perimeter for everyone else and gets them easy shots or offensive rebound opportunities. That is a skillset that only Zion provides for us. Zion accomplishes that through sheer power, whereas Fox uses speed/finesse. I am confident enough in Willie and Jaron Collins to keep the D average through effort and scheme.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:37 pm to
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Herb will be a hybrid of championship Iguodola and Draymond.

peak green was dpoy.
peak iggy @philadelphia was member of all defense nba and nba all star.
after injuries and trade was finals mvp on gsw nba all star roster.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:53 pm to
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Herb will be a hybrid of championship Iguodola and Draymond.


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peak green was dpoy.


The thing about Draymond though is that I cant stand him. So if we can make a different comparison I'd appreciate it. K thanks.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17854 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:11 pm to
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you want him because he is a guard who penetrates the lane and gets to the rim, breaking down opposing defenses. 


Exactly. We need a lead guard who puts opposing defenses into scramble mode. When that happens, we'll get open shots for BI and plenty of dunks from Zion.

The most efficient shot is the shot at the rim, but you have to get there, and Fox can. And with Zion, we will be the best offensive rebounding team in the league, so even misses at the rim turn into putbacks. If opposing bigs move to block the shot, Fox will just drop the ball off for Zion to dunk.

(This is also why I think that NAW will be the player whose play improves the most with Zion's return.)
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 4:26 am
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24835 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:30 pm to
And if Fox joins the Pels, you have to believe Vinson can get him to develop a nice midrange/teardrop to add to his repertoire.

A decent midrange will make us virtually unstoppable, even without Zion.
Posted by LSUpelsSaints
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2014
434 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:04 am to
I just find it funny that even after this past off-season of swinging and missing on guys we thought we could get, some people are saying no to the idea of Fox on this team, Who do you realistically want us to go after? If the off-seasons teach us anything, we aren’t exactly a destination by any means and Zion being out all year only makes that worse.

If you have a chance to get a young solid PG like Fox, I think we are in a position where you have to go for it. Just not really sure what the realistic better alternatives are out there. Having Fox, Ingram, Herb, Valancuinas, Zion is pretty damn solid.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:28 am to
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Having Fox, Ingram, Herb, Valancuinas, Zion is pretty damn solid.

It's also going to be a 120 million dollar roster just between those guys in a couple years(Fox: 32mil, BI: 31 Mil, Zion: 35mil, Val:15 mil, Hart:13mil). And at that price, I think it needs to be more than just "pretty solid."

As I said, I'm not against it outright, to me it just comes down to acquisition cost


It is an expensive roster for a team that I'm not sure gets you a chip....BUT, for me, if the cost to get Fox isn't too high I do think he can be a guy that moves us up a tier or two and can be used to eventually get that guy.

But the cost to get and then upgrade probably firmly moves us into the late stage phase where we are sacrificing depth, draft capital, and flexibility for a 3-4 seed, WCF peak team...And if Fox doesn't improve? That could be rough, but its a gamble, if the price is right, I'd probably still take

This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 7:47 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422470 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:41 am to
Yeah Fox should maintain his value for a few years moving forward.

Morey's prodigies always want the player not the picks, and they're everywhere so it's better to get him now than wait and annually lose assets (along with the yearly depreciation of our own assets due to age).
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25553 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:54 am to
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It's also going to be a 120 million dollar roster just between those guys in a couple years(Fox: 32mil, BI: 31 Mil, Zion: 35mil, Val:15 mil, Hart:13mil). And at that price, I think it needs to be more than just "pretty solid."




The new TV deal is going to be huge and the cap will escalate up quickly starting in 2024. They expect $15M increments annually and should be around a $170M cap by about 2027.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:56 am to
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is an expensive roster for a team that I'm not sure gets you a chip.


1. you can never be sure. look at jazz while gobert was out. bucks are now 2-4 while jrue is out.
2. that roster can compete vs other teams starters.
but at the wcf level you will see how your bench is.
backup pg.
front line guy who can defend pnr and board some.
a wing. 3 pt shooter
a 2/3. 3 pt shooter or mighty defender.

whether by skill or by heart that bench matters.

as for whether that roster wins a championship: most champs in recent years stepped over the body of injured star of opponent. klay. kd. bogut
kyrie. cp3.
theres a ton of luckt involved now with covid rampant.
Jrue is out for bucks vs memphis today @bucks. a tough road game now looks winnable. bucks 2-4 without jrue.
OH GRUMBLE.
just saw that both Bane and Slo Mo Anderson now in covid protocol.
brooks is already out with ankle.
ugh.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:02 am to
TBC, there is a world where Fox turns into the player many thought he was trending a couple seasons ago and he is worth every penny and makes us a legit contender.

I'm just looking at it from present value and maybe assuming a slight uptick in efficiency from playing along better talent....but there is a world Fox ends up as a top 5 PG in the league and our solid three looks like an elite three
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4459 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:17 am to
Yikes..that always freaks me out
Posted by AboveTheRim
Member since Sep 2020
464 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:19 am to
Honest question as I see this sentiment a lot ...why do you care if it’s an expensive roster ? How many contending teams over years have had cheap rosters ?

Sacrificing depth , draft capital , and flexibility... where have those things gotten this team ? In the majority of cases the good teams have none of those things .

Peak of WCF ...maybe I’m wrong but I think at this point most would love a consistent winner even if it never results in a championship. At least you are in the mix.

At some point , maybe this is that point or maybe it isn’t , you have to show you are serious about winning and trying to push the franchise forward . Until then , you will get no FA’s , constant rumors about your best players wanting out , and the weekly story of your franchise being moved to a city that already failed as an NBA town.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61503 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:28 am to
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why do you care if it’s an expensive roster ?


Because more big salary = less flexibility.

It can limit your ability to make moves to fill out the rest of the roster. And if any of your big salaries are bad values, you can essentially be locked into your roster without much ability to upgrade.

Basically if you push in the chips for Fox and it doesn’t work out you might be screwed for a few years.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 8:35 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422470 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:34 am to
True but if we ever get to where we can win a ship, it will require a min team payroll of $150M, probably closer to $160M.

So within the context of Bronc's point, we should be fine with that spending for those guys.
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