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re: Rumors online is Dearron Fox will like to be traded to NOLA
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:37 am to AboveTheRim
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:37 am to AboveTheRim
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why do you care if it’s an expensive roster ?
I care insomuch that if you are paying 130million to 4 or 5 guys, and you spent the bulk of your assets to get there, and it's not a contender, just tier 2, you kind of close out most of your avenues to get to contender status.
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In the majority of cases the good teams have none of those things .
I wouldn't really say that.
Bucks, Suns, Warriors, Jazz, Nuggets, Grizzlies, and Heat all have and use their depth to get them to their current status, or you are a team like the Nets with 3 of the best 10 players in the world. That wouldnt be the case with BI/Zion/Fox. It would be 1 top 10, 1 top 20ish, and currently, top 30ish.
But honestly the recent Kings rumor should probably cool some of these talks. Kings see themselves as buyers and want to win now, they would almost assuredly demand someone like BI/Jonas or something like Herb and Hart to make the move...And I dont think we are willing to do that
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 8:38 am
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:59 am to LSUpelsSaints
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I just find it funny that even after this past off-season of swinging and missing on guys we thought we could get, some people are saying no to the idea of Fox on this team, Who do you realistically want us to go after? If the off-seasons teach us anything, we aren’t exactly a destination by any means and Zion being out all year only makes that worse.
Dearron fox is going to be making 30 mil next year. Then 32,33,34.
What do you have to give up to get him?
I think you make a trade for a different point guard or draft one.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:59 am to Bronc
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But honestly the recent Kings rumor should probably cool some of these talks. Kings see themselves as buyers and want to win now, they would almost assuredly demand someone like BI/Jonas or something like Herb and Hart to make the move...And I dont think we are willing to do that
I don't see that at all. In this case the Kings would be demanding Sabonis. They either think he would work with Holmes or see him as an upgrade to Holmes and maybe Holmes goes out in the trade too.
I would bet Indy is demanding what they wanted for Turner plus another pick or asset. If Indy actually wants Fox then we obviously have no role to play. But they were mainly looking for future assets with Turner/Levert.
I don't see why Turner's injury making them put Sabonis on the block instead would change their desire for future value. They are 7.5 games out of the play-in, not the playoffs. That seems like tank territory. They still probably aren't allowed to tank, but if they turned Sabonis into, and I haven't checked numbers here, Hart, Graham, Holmes and a pick, that might be enough to not look like tanking while the GM actually tanks and increases his assets.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:23 am to Bronc
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But honestly the recent Kings rumor should probably cool some of these talks. Kings see themselves as buyers and want to win now, they would almost assuredly demand someone like BI/Jonas or something like Herb and Hart to make the move...
They may want to win this year, but they know what they have isn't working and they need to change it up.
Did you think they were going to give up Fox and get just picks back? Of course they want a good player in return. Doesn't mean they are buyers. They just want to change it up, and it makes it easy for them when they have two young guards on rookie contracts that they want to build around.
They aren't dumb enough to think they could get BI, and why would they want Jonas when they just committed to Holmes?
and the Pacers are way to far away from the play in spot to care about winning anymore this year, which is why you are hearing about Sabonis getting traded, and LeVert.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:31 am to TeddyPadillac
They just asked for Fox for Sabonis, yes, they clearly do think Fox is netting them a top 30 player...As I said in the other thread, maybe they come down to earth a bit, and maybe you can make something happen, but people have to stop doing this thing where they project what they want to be true on the other party to make the Pels get back the perfect scenario trade.
Kings see themselves as buyers and upgraders, Pels see themselves the same way, typically the onyl way those things work is exchange of equal caliber players where fit is the selling point, or, you bring in other parties to help move guys and get the pieces everyone wants.
Kings see themselves as buyers and upgraders, Pels see themselves the same way, typically the onyl way those things work is exchange of equal caliber players where fit is the selling point, or, you bring in other parties to help move guys and get the pieces everyone wants.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:40 am to Bronc
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people have to stop doing this thing where they project what they want to be true on the other party to make the Pels get back the perfect scenario trade.
we could use a convention.
put *+ next to wishful thinking.
or use a voodun icon that shows it takes a sacrifice to get Haitian to influence other gm.
voodoo dolls.
or the prayer icon.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:45 am to Bronc
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Kings see themselves as buyers and upgraders, Pels see themselves the same way, typically the onyl way those things work is exchange of equal caliber players where fit is the selling point,
also, if a player wants out or agent has agenda.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:50 am to CelticDog
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we could use a convention.
put *+ next to wishful thinking.
or use a voodun icon that shows it takes a sacrifice to get Haitian to influence other gm.
voodoo dolls.
or the prayer icon.
You're constant stream of consciousness posting is both fascinating and horrifying at the same time.
More horrifying, but I can't look away.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:29 am to Bronc
quote:i think we should be pulling for this trade. the Pacers getting back Fox could make Brogdon more expendable and trading for him is more likely for the Pels than Fox
They just asked for Fox for Sabonis, yes, they clearly do think Fox is netting them a top 30 player...As I said in the other thread, maybe they come down to earth a bit, and maybe you can make something happen, but people have to stop doing this thing where they project what they want to be true on the other party to make the Pels get back the perfect scenario trade.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 10:43 am to Gabe Rippen
Brogdon's constant injury issues and age worry me.
I was perhaps the biggest Brogdon pumper because I thought he and Lonzo would be a great fit, but the guy cant stay healthy.
You basically have to pencil in he wont be playing around 25 games each season...and you have to hope that doesnt happen at a critical time
I was perhaps the biggest Brogdon pumper because I thought he and Lonzo would be a great fit, but the guy cant stay healthy.
You basically have to pencil in he wont be playing around 25 games each season...and you have to hope that doesnt happen at a critical time
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:08 am to Bronc
Brogdon is also a lot older than people realize.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
All this talk about getting Fox at the Deadline….wouldn’t we be better served using the TPE on a bad contract and pick….then packaging Sato, a young guy, and maybe Temple for another contract.
We go into the offseason with our lottery pick still and a lot of salary we could send out for a max level point guard that wants out. Maybe SGA will be available at that point, and OKC would take our picks and salary. Maybe not, but I would rather hold off at the deadline and just see how the rest of the season goes while Zion isn’t playing.
Fox might still be available afterwards too.
We go into the offseason with our lottery pick still and a lot of salary we could send out for a max level point guard that wants out. Maybe SGA will be available at that point, and OKC would take our picks and salary. Maybe not, but I would rather hold off at the deadline and just see how the rest of the season goes while Zion isn’t playing.
Fox might still be available afterwards too.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:25 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Draymond though is that I cant stand him
he sometimes has to defend guys 4 inches taller and 30 lbs bigger. i dont think he handles it well emotionally.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:26 am to Bronc
quote:That's where I am as well.
It's also going to be a 120 million dollar roster just between those guys in a couple years(Fox: 32mil, BI: 31 Mil, Zion: 35mil, Val:15 mil, Hart:13mil). And at that price, I think it needs to be more than just "pretty solid."
As I said, I'm not against it outright, to me it just comes down to acquisition cost
It is an expensive roster for a team that I'm not sure gets you a chip....BUT, for me, if the cost to get Fox isn't too high I do think he can be a guy that moves us up a tier or two and can be used to eventually get that guy.
But the cost to get and then upgrade probably firmly moves us into the late stage phase where we are sacrificing depth, draft capital, and flexibility for a 3-4 seed, WCF peak team...And if Fox doesn't improve? That could be rough, but its a gamble, if the price is right, I'd probably still take
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:26 am to TigerinATL
My overall point is at some point the chips are going to have to be pushed in . I’m not advocating for or against Fox .
You aren’t getting a FA worth anything with the current roster .
Draft is a crapshoot and will likely be years before that player pans out .
The longer we suck the more the team falls apart .
Having talented players gives you flexibility . A winning environment may allow you to sign a FA that you may not otherwise get . It may also help you keep your own .
I understand having loads of picks can help win a deal for you but you also have to have a player or players that someone wants . Picks themselves are overrated by the masses . Celtics had loads that they sat on and haven’t sniffed a championship .
We need talent . Get that ! Then start worrying about the other stuff.
You aren’t getting a FA worth anything with the current roster .
Draft is a crapshoot and will likely be years before that player pans out .
The longer we suck the more the team falls apart .
Having talented players gives you flexibility . A winning environment may allow you to sign a FA that you may not otherwise get . It may also help you keep your own .
I understand having loads of picks can help win a deal for you but you also have to have a player or players that someone wants . Picks themselves are overrated by the masses . Celtics had loads that they sat on and haven’t sniffed a championship .
We need talent . Get that ! Then start worrying about the other stuff.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:33 am to Bronc
I honestly dont know what I think anymore. I want Fox, just not what I think its going to cost to get him. I assumed his value would have dropped a little since he's having a down year and teams could possibly view that as "we're taking a risk here bc he's not playing up to the level that he cost." But it doesnt seem like the Kings are viewing it that way and want top dollar trade value.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:38 am to AboveTheRim
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Celtics had loads that they sat on and haven’t sniffed a championship .
I mean they ultimately did push their chips in and have arguably still not recovered from those sets of moves. So there is risk to be aware of here. It's not always as simple as cashing in. Sometimes cashing in for the wrong pieces can be disastrous and set you back years, maybe even close your window entirely.
They went out and got Kyrie for three first rounders, maxed Hayward in FA, had already brought in Al Horford.
And if we are being honest, that was a more complete team than what we are talking about with Fox. That team made 2 conference finals.
Hayward thing was a fluke, but if Fox doesn't work out, and you gave up multiple firsts and young players, that could spell disaster for the Zion era, which is why I am cautious with what I would pay for him.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:14 pm to NOSHAU
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But the cost to get and then upgrade probably firmly moves us into the late stage phase where we are sacrificing depth, draft capital, and flexibility for a 3-4 seed, WCF peak team...
yes. and if curry steps on someone and sprains ankle. then you advance. its both putting together best team possible and prayers you are healthy.
im am sure that 90% of paying fans would be delighted if pels are 4th seed 2022 2023. you get home games. you compete.
and the product is good.
you get good basketball to watch.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:21 pm to CelticDog
I'd like 4th seed next year too, but I also dont really want to be tearing everything down a few years later because Zion/Bi feel the team is tapped out as a tier 2 team because we overpaid for someone like Fox, who maybe doesn't reach even a decent case scenario, and we're having to hope the tier 1 teams all suffer injuries to advance any higher.
Like I said before, if the acquisition cost is right, I'll make the gamble, but if we start talking three first rounders and Herb or something, I'd pass. And right now Kings are wanting a Sabonis-like return, and fans assume they just have to settle, but they really dont. They can just keep him too
Like I said before, if the acquisition cost is right, I'll make the gamble, but if we start talking three first rounders and Herb or something, I'd pass. And right now Kings are wanting a Sabonis-like return, and fans assume they just have to settle, but they really dont. They can just keep him too
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:23 pm to CelticDog
You people and your perfect team bullshite. We have been an incomplete, shitty team going on twenty years. If you have a chance to get talent, you go get talent. The NBA is all about your top 3 players, not your next 12.
This is the fricking New Orleans Pelicans. We have Zion the asset for a few more years, BI is a baller who wants to be here, and Herb seems to be the second coming of Kawhi. Zion + BI + Top 25 player gets you about as far as you can in this market.
This is the fricking New Orleans Pelicans. We have Zion the asset for a few more years, BI is a baller who wants to be here, and Herb seems to be the second coming of Kawhi. Zion + BI + Top 25 player gets you about as far as you can in this market.
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