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re: Pels meeting with Rondo
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:26 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:26 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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fallacy or the numbers don't necessarily point to his skill level?
i'll stick with idea that the soon to be 32 year old who never fully recovered from his ACL surgery probably isn't the defensive stopper he used to be, and the scouting reports that say same.
Fallacy. Look, I believe Steph Curry's defense isn't really bad at all, but he had the 8th best DRTG in the league last year of all players with 20+ MPG. Kawhi had a defensive rating of 104, while Curry was at 100.9. That's the problem with using DRTG and most defensive numbers in general. A player's role in the defense and the players they are surrounded with affect those numbers way too much so you have a lot of meh defenders proving to be better statistically than elite defenders. As with most numbers, you have to look at a bunch of different categories and use context if you want to prove whether a player is good or bad in a certain area of the game. You can't just pull one category, compare it to James Harden, conclude Rondo is bad at defense because of it, and call it a day.
And maybe he's not a defender stopper that he used to be, but he's good enough to where Boston was running screen action intentionally away from Rondo during the playoffs because he was snuffing everything out.
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:26 pm to GynoSandberg
Would help if they're still planning on getting into the Melo deal and shedding Asik/Ajinca while not taking back Ryno.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:27 pm to kadillak
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I'm in for the Rondo-Jrue defensive back court
Rondo hasn't played defense since 10'
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:30 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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what does it tell you that a person whose primary offensive scoring skill is getting to the rim, is only doing so enough to get fouled once per game?!
What does it tell you?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:37 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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what does it tell you that a person whose primary offensive scoring skill is getting to the rim, is only doing so enough to get fouled once per game?!
Why would a guy that isn't good from the free throw line, want to go to the free throw line?
Rondo scores at the rim with no one near him. he's always looking to set someone else up, unless there is very clear path to the basket.
I don't understand why some of you are so against this. So what if it doesn't work. don't play him if it doesn't. cut him for all i care. he'll be making little money for 1 year. Are you really expecting to find someone in FA to sign with the remaining cap space that will help us get to another level? Sorry to burst your bubble but that isn't happening.
Rondo can make us a better team. It's a risk. If it doesn't work out, you simply don't play him, and you're no worse, and you're not carrying a contract into next year.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:53 pm to Fun Bunch
I'm not a big Rondo fan at all. He has been a cancer everywhere he has been since Boston. I'll take this over Jackson, but I don't really like this move.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
Since Cousins is close to Rondo, if it turns out to be a bad fit,he gets benched and possibly throws a fit, how do you think it would affect Cousin's view on this organization and his future here? Do you think he'll understand the situation or does it give him another reason to bolt?
I think they need to be sure it will absolutely work and doesn't cause lockeroom issues.
I think they need to be sure it will absolutely work and doesn't cause lockeroom issues.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:03 pm to supe12sta12z
Even if we got John Wall some of y'all would complain that he's not shooting 40% from the 3 point line
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:11 pm to supe12sta12z
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Since Cousins is close to Rondo, if it turns out to be a bad fit,he gets benched and possibly throws a fit, how do you think it would affect Cousin's view on this organization and his future here?
As long as Rondo fails after getting a fair shake I think Cousins will appreciate that the team listened to him. Uncle Al isn't a hard arse so Rondo will have plenty of opportunity. Rondo's the one that nick named coach Erman Baby Thibs, so I'm sure they get along well too. I just don't see Rondo being a cancer here, he's coming to what for him should be a safe place.
Dallas clearly didn't know what to expect and wanted him to do things their way. The Pels already have some experience playing with and coaching Rondo on top of the whole UK Mafia thing they are trying to start. The Rondo behavior I'd worry about most is his wanting to dominate the ball. I do think we have some potential Tyreke level disobedience, but nothing I would qualify as a cancer or that would cause trouble in the locker room.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:19 pm to TigerinATL
Sign Rondo; Trade for Bledsoe
NOWC Baby
Eric Bledsoe PG 6-1 205 2010 Suns 66 21.06 4.88 6.35
Devin Booker SG 6-6 206 2015 Suns 78 22.13 3.21 3.44
Willie Cauley-Stein C 7-0 240 2015 Kings 75 8.15 4.48 1.07
DeMarcus Cousins C 6-11 270 2010 Pelicans 72 26.97 11.06 4.62
Anthony Davis PF 6-11 253 2012 Pelicans 75 28.01 11.95 2.11
Archie Goodwin G 6-5 205 2013 Nets 15 7.33 1.87 1.60
Andrew Harrison G 6-6 213 2015 Grizzlies 72 5.90 1.92 2.74
Enes Kanter F 6-11 245 2011 Thunder 72 14.35 6.71 0.93
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist SF 6-7 232 2012 Hornets 81 9.17 6.95 1.40
Brandon Knight G 6-3 195 2011 Suns 54 11.02 2.24 2.39
Skal Labissiere C 6-11 225 2016 Kings 33 8.76 4.85 0.82
DeAndre Liggins G 6-6 209 2011 Clippers 62 2.45 1.74 0.87
Trey Lyles SF 6-10 234 2015 Nuggets 71 6.20 3.30 0.99
Jamal Murray SG 6-4 207 2016 Nuggets 82 9.89 2.59 2.09
Patrick Patterson F 6-9 235 2010 Thunder 65 6.85 4.48 1.18
Julius Randle PF 6-9 250 2014 Lakers 74 13.18 8.58 3.57
Karl-Anthony Towns C 7-0 244 2015 Timberwolves 82 25.13 12.24 2.68
Tyler Ulis PG 5-10 160 2016 Suns 61 7.28 1.59 3.70
John Wall PG 6-4 210 2010 Wizards 78 23.14 4.24 10.63
Kyle Wiltjer PF 6-10 240 2016 Clippers 14 0.93 0.71 0.14
NOWC Baby
Eric Bledsoe PG 6-1 205 2010 Suns 66 21.06 4.88 6.35
Devin Booker SG 6-6 206 2015 Suns 78 22.13 3.21 3.44
Willie Cauley-Stein C 7-0 240 2015 Kings 75 8.15 4.48 1.07
DeMarcus Cousins C 6-11 270 2010 Pelicans 72 26.97 11.06 4.62
Anthony Davis PF 6-11 253 2012 Pelicans 75 28.01 11.95 2.11
Archie Goodwin G 6-5 205 2013 Nets 15 7.33 1.87 1.60
Andrew Harrison G 6-6 213 2015 Grizzlies 72 5.90 1.92 2.74
Enes Kanter F 6-11 245 2011 Thunder 72 14.35 6.71 0.93
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist SF 6-7 232 2012 Hornets 81 9.17 6.95 1.40
Brandon Knight G 6-3 195 2011 Suns 54 11.02 2.24 2.39
Skal Labissiere C 6-11 225 2016 Kings 33 8.76 4.85 0.82
DeAndre Liggins G 6-6 209 2011 Clippers 62 2.45 1.74 0.87
Trey Lyles SF 6-10 234 2015 Nuggets 71 6.20 3.30 0.99
Jamal Murray SG 6-4 207 2016 Nuggets 82 9.89 2.59 2.09
Patrick Patterson F 6-9 235 2010 Thunder 65 6.85 4.48 1.18
Julius Randle PF 6-9 250 2014 Lakers 74 13.18 8.58 3.57
Karl-Anthony Towns C 7-0 244 2015 Timberwolves 82 25.13 12.24 2.68
Tyler Ulis PG 5-10 160 2016 Suns 61 7.28 1.59 3.70
John Wall PG 6-4 210 2010 Wizards 78 23.14 4.24 10.63
Kyle Wiltjer PF 6-10 240 2016 Clippers 14 0.93 0.71 0.14
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:25 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah id be more worried about on the court
But his bbiq is 1000x higher than rekes
I think itll be fine,he'll bring a veteran leadership thats been sorely lacking.
But his bbiq is 1000x higher than rekes
I think itll be fine,he'll bring a veteran leadership thats been sorely lacking.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:42 pm to LosLobos111
Watching this game, we need a ball handler who makes better decisions than Cook on the bench.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:49 pm to LSU Fan 90812
HA! I know for fact that you dont watch the Pelicans play Karma. Because you are my actual brother ;)
Pelicans need a second ball handler in the worst way. I mean bad. When Jrue goes out we literally hand no one to play PG last season.
Any veteran PG will make this team better. Our backup PG scenario is that limited. We got NOBODY.
Watching games is literally painful. We can barely get the ball up and down the floor when Jrue isnt in the game.
Pelicans need a second ball handler in the worst way. I mean bad. When Jrue goes out we literally hand no one to play PG last season.
Any veteran PG will make this team better. Our backup PG scenario is that limited. We got NOBODY.
Watching games is literally painful. We can barely get the ball up and down the floor when Jrue isnt in the game.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:50 pm to TheLegend
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I'm not a big Rondo fan at all. He has been a cancer everywhere he has been since Boston. I'll take this over Jackson, but I don't really like this move.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:52 pm to P bean
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HA! I know for fact that you dont watch the Pelicans play Karma. Because you are my actual brother ;)
Roasted?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:59 pm to burdman
LOL, my brother is NBA knowledgeable
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:05 pm to P bean
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HA! I know for fact that you dont watch the Pelicans play Karma. Because you are my actual brother ;)
i don't watch them OFTEN, but i've seen them and i've definitely seen rondo
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Pelicans need a second ball handler in the worst way. I mean bad. When Jrue goes out we literally hand no one to play PG last season.
don't disagree.
quote:don't disagree.
Any veteran PG will make this team better. Our backup PG scenario is that limited. We got NOBODY.
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Watching games is literally painful. We can barely get the ball up and down the floor when Jrue isnt in the game.
don't disagree.
i just think rondo is washed up.
and i agree it's better him for cheap and one year than nobody. i still think that there's someone out there who's a better fit for a backup PG. for the record, i definitely don't think reggie jackson is the answer.
also, i think the bulls are expected to cut cameron payne after summer league. he'd be a good signing for the minimum. at least there's upside. and he was injured last year and is still young.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:10 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Wait. You argued that Rondo isn't good because the Bulls didn't want him back. Now you're advocating the Pellies sign a YOUNG player the Bulls are cutting during their rebuild?
How on earth does that make sense?
How on earth does that make sense?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:16 pm to GynoSandberg
If I asked you who shot the best from the 3 point line last year between Lin, Bledsoe, Reggie Jax, and Rondo what would you say?
If I asked you who led that group in steals? Rebounds? Assists?
Rondo is the answer to all of those questions. And two years ago he shot 36% from 3 behind Bledsoe but ahead of Jackson and Lin.
Rondo has deficiencies. Mainly free throw shooting and potential attitude issues that I think are overblown (but it's been an issue in the past so it's not nothing). But he's not a black hole and won't take shots away from Boogie and AD. He takes 10 shots a game compared to 15 shots a game by Reggie Jackson and Eric Bledsoe.
Best part of it all? One year commitment for a fraction of any of the other guys without giving up picks, young players, or shooters (Moore/Crawford). Giving you an opportunity to go get bigger fish at the PG/SG position later on
If I asked you who led that group in steals? Rebounds? Assists?
Rondo is the answer to all of those questions. And two years ago he shot 36% from 3 behind Bledsoe but ahead of Jackson and Lin.
Rondo has deficiencies. Mainly free throw shooting and potential attitude issues that I think are overblown (but it's been an issue in the past so it's not nothing). But he's not a black hole and won't take shots away from Boogie and AD. He takes 10 shots a game compared to 15 shots a game by Reggie Jackson and Eric Bledsoe.
Best part of it all? One year commitment for a fraction of any of the other guys without giving up picks, young players, or shooters (Moore/Crawford). Giving you an opportunity to go get bigger fish at the PG/SG position later on
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:16 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Rondo for cheap and/or any veteran point guard of any substance whatsoever is literally leaps and bounds better than what we have at back up PG.
Jason Kidd could unretire and join this team and we would be instantly better, because we do not have a secondary ball handler at all.
There isn't a lot left out there to get, Rondo would be a one year Band-Aid. I'm sure the pelicans would like to get somebody better if they could. However if we don't get someone to handle the rock we will have a repeat of last season. Which was bad
I don't watch the NBA but I do watch almost all of the pelican games, and the playoffs and finals. Stating the truth about the pelicans!
Jason Kidd could unretire and join this team and we would be instantly better, because we do not have a secondary ball handler at all.
There isn't a lot left out there to get, Rondo would be a one year Band-Aid. I'm sure the pelicans would like to get somebody better if they could. However if we don't get someone to handle the rock we will have a repeat of last season. Which was bad
I don't watch the NBA but I do watch almost all of the pelican games, and the playoffs and finals. Stating the truth about the pelicans!
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 5:20 pm
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